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路New member in the family 馃榾
WHO loves Certinas ?
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路i have a question to the Certina specialists, have you ever seen a GF bracelet with endlinks that have no designation at all?
As far as i have seen so far, there are "X", "DS" and "D" and "S" Endlinks.
I think the earliest endlinks where with designation "X".
I have a Patent Pending DS watch with a GF bracelet with the clasp stamped 3-59, so one of the earlier ones, that has no stamp on the endlinks at all. the bracelet and watch were full of gunk so i dont have any reason to doubt that they are legit and they started their life together. They fit absolutely prefectly to the watch case, i am 99% certain they are original. i just have never seen another one like this.
Unfortunatelly the only other DS endlinks i have for comparison are pretty worn. so not very good example to compare..
They also dont have the the notch for the springbar tool, compare to the later endlinks.
As far as i have seen so far, there are "X", "DS" and "D" and "S" Endlinks.
I think the earliest endlinks where with designation "X".
I have a Patent Pending DS watch with a GF bracelet with the clasp stamped 3-59, so one of the earlier ones, that has no stamp on the endlinks at all. the bracelet and watch were full of gunk so i dont have any reason to doubt that they are legit and they started their life together. They fit absolutely prefectly to the watch case, i am 99% certain they are original. i just have never seen another one like this.
Unfortunatelly the only other DS endlinks i have for comparison are pretty worn. so not very good example to compare..
They also dont have the the notch for the springbar tool, compare to the later endlinks.
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路Ladder bracelet experiments...
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路State of the Collection 2023:
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路A nice patent pending DS
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Eve
路i have a question to the Certina specialists, have you ever seen a GF bracelet with endlinks that have no designation at all?
As far as i have seen so far, there are "X", "DS" and "D" and "S" Endlinks.
I think the earliest endlinks where with designation "X".
I have a Patent Pending DS watch with a GF bracelet with the clasp stamped 3-59, so one of the earlier ones, that has no stamp on the endlinks at all. the bracelet and watch were full of gunk so i dont have any reason to doubt that they are legit and they started their life together. They fit absolutely prefectly to the watch case, i am 99% certain they are original. i just have never seen another one like this.
Unfortunatelly the only other DS endlinks i have for comparison are pretty worn. so not very good example to compare..
They also dont have the the notch for the springbar tool, compare to the later endlinks.
So a very close contender to my "no name" endlink (3rd quarter of 59). And i must say they are virtually identical. Pretty cool actually to find the fourth type of GF endlinks without any stamp.
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路Was trying to figure out why the numerals and text on these early black dialed DS looked so dynamic in light. Did a few macro shots and to my surprise realised that they are not painted but etched into the dial paint.
So is this is something one would call gilt dial?
So is this is something one would call gilt dial?
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路I believe there are also silver "Gilt Dials". When you get right down to it, this designation is not well chosen. It is actually about the fact that not the writing (etc...) is printed on a silvered or gold-plated dial (which would be the usual case), but that practically a negative, i.e. everything that is not a writing/symbol, etc., is galvanically applied to the gold-plated or silver-plated dial. Result: no raised lettering (etc...) as with the usual dial printing, but a "sunken".
Hope that helps - HU
Hope that helps - HU
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路Nice macro shot. As I understand, it's a gilt dial -- at least the numerals. In addition to the explanation above, I believe the text is printed with a clear lacquer, which prevents things from adhering during the subsequent deposition steps.
Waiting for mine to return from service:
Waiting for mine to return from service:
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路I believe there are also silver "Gilt Dials". When you get right down to it, this designation is not well chosen. It is actually about the fact that not the writing (etc...) is printed on a silvered or gold-plated dial
As I understand, it's a gilt dial -- at least the numerals. In addition to the explanation above, I believe the text is printed with a clear lacquer, which prevents things from adhering during the subsequent deposition steps
You learn something new every day. Thank you for the insight!
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路Nice macro shot. As I understand, it's a gilt dial -- at least the numerals. In addition to the explanation above, I believe the text is printed with a clear lacquer, which prevents things from adhering during the subsequent deposition steps.
Correct. I didn't want to write too much, but a cover for what remains as "gilt" at the end is of course to be applied before the galvanic process.
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路You can see that there are two different types of dials. What surprises me is that one is printed completely clean (apparently everything using the "gilt" process). The second, on the other hand, has imperfections at the signature, at the "DS" and at the "T". Probably a combination of both printing methods?
I am unsure about the minute track (because of the photo...)
I am unsure about the minute track (because of the photo...)
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路Another dial (date version)
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路You can see that there are two different types of dials. What surprises me is that one is printed completely clean (apparently everything using the "gilt" process). The second, on the other hand, has imperfections at the signature, at the "DS" and at the "T". Probably a combination of both printing methods?
I am unsure about the minute track (because of the photo...)
The later dials seem to be a combination with printing. But i never held a later dial in hands to say for sure, just judgeing from other photos.
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路Nice macro shot. As I understand, it's a gilt dial -- at least the numerals. In addition to the explanation above, I believe the text is printed with a clear lacquer, which prevents things from adhering during the subsequent deposition steps.
Waiting for mine to return from service:
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路I associate gilt with gold tone applied. Even so, gilt or no gilt, that dial is magic 馃グ
Beautiful in that case without a dive bezel. Am I the first to call dibs?? 馃槤
I was looking for a no date version for a while, and there are debates in Cerina circles that these "no-date" version only existed in a case with a bezel (not sure there is enough proof though).
Since i like them without the bezel more, i just removed my bezel and put it safely in a box 馃槜problem solved 馃榿
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路You can see that there are two different types of dials. What surprises me is that one is printed completely clean (apparently everything using the "gilt" process). The second, on the other hand, has imperfections at the signature, at the "DS" and at the "T". Probably a combination of both printing methods?
I am unsure about the minute track (because of the photo...)
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路Yes, the "CERTINA automatic" and "DS T" on mine are printed with a sort of white paint. I don't have it in front of me to verify, but I believe the minute track is also printed using paint. It's interesting to see a dial that is fully (or mostly) gilt. @Eve: the "DS" and "T" on yours are also gilt?
