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·Best 60s diver? 😀
WHO loves Certinas ?
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·A steal compared to the other 60s divers, probably like 1/4 of the price of SM300 (164.024) and 1/8 of the price of the similar Rolex Sub 😁
Figured it would cheaper than other notable brands. Like I said, I'm not a diver collector, so... Can you give me the price in DS-2s or in Blue Ribbons? 😁
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Dr.Sascha
·Figured it would cheaper than other notable brands. Like I said, I'm not a diver collector, so... Can you give me the price in DS-2s or in Blue Ribbons? 😁
The kind of diver pictured above is about 1100-1500 in good condition, higher if pristine.
https://www.chrono24.com/certina/ds-2-ph200m-diver--id23188201.htm
Blue Ribbons are still quite inexpensive. You can get good examples for 2-300. I would still recommend the classic DS "turtleback" automatics. They're gorgeous, and quite large in size (36-38mm to accommodate the DS system) and come in a variety of very cool dials. Black dials are rarest and most desirable, and go for 800+. Quite decent ones can be had for 4-500, less if you're lucky and patient, and a somewhat beat up one for less. But prices seem to be rising, so who knows how long that will last.
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Nupero
·I would still recommend the classic DSs. Black dials are rarest and most desirable, and go for 1000+. A pristine or particularly cool (non-black) one will go for 7-800, a quite decent one can be had for 4-600, and a somewhat beat up one for less. But prices are rising rapidly across the board.
Really? I'm sure prices are rising but these figures seem quite high to me if we are talking about the "regular" DS watches. Last year I purchased a DS in decent condition for less than 200 USD.
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Dr.Sascha
·Really? I'm sure prices are rising but these figures seem quite high to me if we are talking about the "regular" DS watches. Last year I purchased a DS in decent condition for less than 200 USD.
Congrats! Do post a pic when you're of a mind to. I'm basing this on what I've seen, typically, across the last six months. And by "quite decent," I mean a classic DS turtleback, 25-651, with minimal dial degradation and not overpolished. There are still deals to be had (hell, I got a vintage Rotary Aquaplunge for 450 in January), especially for the hand-winders. The hand-winding, non-bezelled DS-2s are undervalued now, imho (e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265393567842?hash=item3dcab07862:g:~~MAAOSwpyhhI~Y1)
But folks are starting to cotton on that Certinas are becoming more sought-after, particularly the DS 25-651 automatics, and pricing them as such.
The DS-2 PH200/500/1000 are going up the fastest. 2yrs. ago, you could still get a PH200m for less than 500. Now, you're lucky to find one for less than 1500. The 1000 goes for significantly more. The DS-2 Super 500PH "UFO" and "Tektite" are going through the roof, and look to soon become unobtanium to mere mortals.
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·It probably helps to have Hodinkee flogging them as they are.
But agreed they are a great value.
But agreed they are a great value.
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Nupero
·Forget DS, Blue Ribbon is now the ultimate value choice. Yeah, I said it.
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Dr.Sascha
·Forget DS, Blue Ribbon is now the ultimate value choice. Yeah, I said it.
Not a bad shout. DS's have the advantage of being closer to SMs in configuration, and are very large and beefy to accommodate the DS system. BRs are more akin to De Villes, being smaller, thinner, and more formal. I'd suggest going with the larger format ones (35mm and up), which are a bit rarer. Some really lovely dials on them, especially that linen texture.
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JamesTYO
·Forget DS, Blue Ribbon is now the ultimate value choice. Yeah, I said it.
Probably easier to get serviced too. Watchmakers locally here in Japan aren't too thrilled about doing a DS, I don't think they were sold here and even experienced hands have never seen them and the whole DS system seems to bamboozle them.
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Dr.Sascha
·Probably easier to get serviced too. Watchmakers locally here in Japan aren't too thrilled about doing a DS, I don't think they were sold here and even experienced hands have never seen them and the whole DS system seems to bamboozle them.
Heh, my watchmaker here, who is one of the best in the biz, was also confounded. "It seems to have a large rubber tube securing the movement. I'll remove it and find some way to replace it with a movement ring." I had to set him straight, and right quick, on that one! The diagrams are easily available online, so he was able to adapt pretty quickly (it's not that complicated, really).
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·Heh, my watchmaker here, who is one of the best in the biz, was also confounded. "It seems to have a large rubber tube securing the movement. I'll remove it and find some way to replace it with a movement ring." I had to set him straight, and right quick, on that one! The diagrams are easily available online, so he was able to adapt pretty quickly (it's not that complicated, really).
Would you say the one on the DS page on VintageCertinas is the best most legible diagram out there?
I need to keep a copy and a spare yellow rubber for the next time I need a DS doing.
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Dr.Sascha
·Would you say the one on the DS page on VintageCertinas is the best most legible diagram out there?
I need to keep a copy and a spare yellow rubber for the next time I need a DS doing.
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·Heh, my watchmaker here, who is one of the best in the biz, was also confounded. "It seems to have a large rubber tube securing the movement. I'll remove it and find some way to replace it with a movement ring." I had to set him straight, and right quick, on that one! The diagrams are easily available online, so he was able to adapt pretty quickly (it's not that complicated, really).
Interesting that your WM had no experience with DS series considering the popularity of the watch, with hundreds of thousands of units sold. Must be a matter of location, like @JamesTYO alluded. Where I live stories how DS was marketed seem to be part of WM folklore. My watchmaker told a story of a Certina sales rep throwing a DS-2 across the room to a wall and saying "I'm not lying, these can take a beating". Apparently the watch survived.
I should visit local WM and ask what is taking so long. He's had my Certina DS in for a service for months already. Hope he didn't decide to test durability and throw it to a wall...
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b-lilja
·I just think this is funky and cool. Note women's.
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ConElPueblo
·I would still recommend the classic DSs. They're gorgeous, and quite large in size (36-38mm to accommodate the DS system) and come in a variety of very cool dials. Black dials are rarest and most desirable, and go for 1000+. A pristine or particularly cool (non-black) one will go for 7-800, a quite decent one can be had for 4-600, and a somewhat beat up one for less. But prices are rising rapidly across the board.
This is not what I have experienced over five years of DS collecting. Sure, some will have high asking prices for ordinary DS models, but in open auction it would have to be quite special to net €600. Manual winding ones in good condition will end up at around €150, automatics perhaps €200. Only the special dials will be worth more and black dials are usually less than €600, unless it is a cross hair technical dial.
I only see any sort of "rapid" price rise for really, really special models and even those aren't rocketing anywhere compared to more popular brands. The single item I have noted the highest increase in value of during the last few years are GF bracelets in very good condition. These used to be around €150, now they are three times that. If you can find them at all.