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When is a pie pan not a pie pan?

Richard H
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264893629167?ViewItem=&item=264893629167

Hi everyone. This Constellation is currently on eBay described as a pie pan. When I see obvious listing mistakes I often take the trouble of messaging the seller but regardless of what I have said and what pictures I have provided this seller is adamant it's a pie pan. It isn't! I can do no more so maybe your kind intervention might convince him to do the right thing and amend his listing.
 
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Gav1967
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Outside the world of watch collectors the term "pie pan" is a somewhat unofficial term for a dial that resembles the shape of a pie pan. Even amongst collectors what does and doesn't qualify can be hotly disputed. take a look a recent threads on the subject
I'm not sure whatever you say to the seller will persuade him he is mistaken and probably a waste of time and effort.
 
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Not a pie pan, it's a dome. Its also in terrible condition, the medallion is truly awful and the movement is filthy. I don't think even Dan will make a case for this one.
 
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Not a pie pan, it's a dome. Its also in terrible condition, the medallion is truly awful and the movement is filthy. I don't think even Dan will make a case for this one.
not sure anyone will disagree with you but trying to convince an ebay seller of the fact is futile IMHO
 
Marsimaxam
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Looking at the watch in question I can see why a less than knowledgeable seller might insist it is a pie pan although it is a dome dial. Try sending the link from the OF post below to seller...

"It doesn't matter what pie pan dials from other brands look like, for Omegas, it does contain a distinct 12 straight edges for the minute ring. These edges are also the edges of 12 flat sides beyond the minute rings.
The other Omega examples you posted all don't have the 12 straight edges or 12 flat sides. All have a pretty much continuous convex shape, hence they're called dome dials. They don't have the same look as pie pan dials from other brands either." Source from thread link posted by TNTwatch

And then again after reading gatorcpa's post... maybe one of the moderators could contact Omega and get this straighten out... pie pan vs dome or just call them all pie pan

Link to a previous discussion on OF:https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-geneve-pie-pan.26318/
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Marsimaxam Marsimaxam
And then again after reading gatorcpa's post... maybe one of the moderators could contact Omega and get this straighten out... pie pan vs dome or just call them all pie pan
I take it that you’ve never dealt with the Swiss before. If Omega says it’s a pie-pan, then it’s a pie-pan.
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I take it that you’ve never dealt with the Swiss before. If Omega says it’s a pie-pan, then it’s a pie-pan.
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You've changed your tune! In that thread from 2015 linked above, you (correctly in my view) maintain that to be a Pie Pan in the accepted Omega sense, a dial needs a 12 sided polygonal shape made by scalloped flats falling away from the centre with a defined kink. Or in a shorter more memorable form, If it isn't kinky, it isn't a pie pan!
 
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I take it that you’ve never dealt with the Swiss before. If Omega says it’s a pie-pan, then it’s a pie-pan.
gatorcpa
I was joking, as you must realize, and yes, I have dealt with the Swiss before as my brother-in-law lived in Geneva for over a decade. When I first visited him I did not realize you needed an appointment to go to the Patek Philippe museum which at the time was located in Geneva. I went to Patek offices and asked if I could go upstairs to see the museum. I was told that I must have an appointment to visit. I asked if any one was visiting the museum at the moment, and I was told no. I asked if I could make an appointment for the same day or another day during the week as I was visiting from the USA. I was told that I need to make an appointment at least two weeks in advance. I told the official that I wouldn't be in Geneva for such an extended period of time and he replied, "Well make sure you make an appointment well in advance before your next trip." I found the swiss to be extremely punctual, not friendly at first, they respect their privacy and are discrete, follow rules, extremely clean and very environmentally friendly, they take a lot of pride in their art, history and culture,but, with time they do warm up to you.
 
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You've changed your tune! In that thread from 2015 linked above, you (correctly in my view) maintain that to be a Pie Pan in the accepted Omega sense, a dial needs a 12 sided polygonal shape made by scalloped flats falling away from the centre with a defined kink. Or in a shorter more memorable form, If it isn't kinky, it isn't a pie pan!

What I think matters not one bit to Omega. I linked to their website with their definition.

That doesn’t mean I agree with them.
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Marsimaxam
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How about as collectors we all agree that there are two types of pie pan dials...

The pie pan dial and the super pie pan dial.

If Rolex can have fat font, super fat font and mega fat font inserts... why not?
 
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What I think matters not one bit to Omega. I linked to their website with their definition.

That doesn’t mean I agree with them.
gatorcpa
When Omega get all their ducks on a row with things like the OVD and extract process then I’ll treat everything they say and publish as gospel. Until then I’ll use common sense and a healthy dose of skepticism. I too have sampled Swiss efficiency at length and am not as convinced that their reputation for infallibility is as deserved as some think, particularly in the West and South of the country 😉 it’s quite a disparate place after all.
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I’M A DOCTOR, NOT A WATCH COLLECTOR, YOU GREEN BLOODED HOBGOBLIN!!!
 
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I too have sampled Swiss efficiency at length and am not as convinced that their reputation for infallibility is as deserved as some think

What matters to the Swiss is that they believe their reputation for infallibility is in fact very well deserved. 😉
 
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So if it’s not a pie pan It must be a Calatrava
 
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