What’s happening on March 26th then?

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This is Hilarious....30 years ago I probably would have driven to Las Vegas 4 hours away to stand in line. I think this will be good for Omega in the long run. I will get at least a couple eventually but even at $260 they are way overpriced for what they are.
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Oh yea, Tl;dr. Why? Did someone else mention this already? If so, sorry for the repeat.

Someone also mentioned that they thought Omega didn't have a say in this, but that thought wasn't received well. Sonething to the effect that it was disrespectful to the Omega execs.

But your reasoning was better expressed and more nuanced so it's worth sharing.

Granted, it's speculation and I assume no one here was part of those early discussions. Still, we're all terrible gossips, so what's the harm of a bit of speculation amongst friends?

There's probably a mix of speculators, FOMO, and fans who will enjoy wearing it tomorrow. Hopefully the overall impact will be positive.

It's hard for me to begrudge a kid trying to make a couple hundred bucks when they've seen adults selling watches for tens of thousands over msrp. Thecwatch world hasn't set the best example. Hopefully a few bad apples won't spoil the fun for rest.

Remember Pokémon? Mass hysteria all in the name of fun. I think I discounted how much people need to have fun now. It’s been a tough few years, and even more so on young adults. I'm starting to understand why some folks say what's the harm of a bit of fun. The watch may not be my cuppa, but the world is due a bit of fun.

Cheers, friends. Long live the forum.
 
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What’s happening on March 26th then? Probably a spike in COVID infections.
 
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I've found the perfect comparison picture of MoonSwatches vs Moonwatches, but in Audi terms.....

To all those peeps in line on the East Coast USA (and shock-horror, maybe even the west coast), enjoy your wait for the plastic!!!

 
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Queue of around 200-300 people at Edinburgh Swatch store, 2 hours before opening.
 
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Queue of around 200-300 people at Edinburgh Swatch store, 2 hours before opening.
More thank 1000 in Carnaby Street
 
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Really curious to see the opinion of the people who will manage to get this.
 
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Remember Pokémon? Mass hysteria all in the name of fun. I think I discounted how much people need to have fun now. It’s been a tough few years, and even more so on young adults. I'm starting to understand why some folks say what's the harm of a bit of fun. The watch may not be my cuppa, but the world is due a bit of fun.

Cheers, friends. Long live the forum.
Amen.
I think this is exactly right. A lot people are just in it for the fun.
On the point of not begrudging someone who manages to make a little money from this madness: a friend of a friend managed to pick up one of the Moonswatches by paying an elderly lady who was sitting on the line about $75 for her spot. According to him, she didn't know what the line was for, she just sat there figuring it must be worth something and she was right. Win-win!
 
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Unless things turned around quickly for Swatch, the division, not the parent, it’s in danger of going extinct due to the collapse of the lower end of the market. They had to do something. It’s important because the Hayek family built their entire empire on the Swatch brand. There’s no way Jr. would let the Swatch brand die under his watch. So, this entire scheme was built on the idea of leveraging the Omega brand in order to save the Swatch brand. It will work great for Swatch but not so great for Omega. Sure, it may lead to a bit more sales for Omega as some will graduate to the real deal but Swatch will benefit far more than Omega.

I think that in the short term the release will benefit Swatch and in the long term be of benefit to Omega.

Short term: No-one are buying these instead of an Omega Speedmaster (at least, I would be extremely surprised to hear so...), so no cannibalising of that brand. New customers includes people who would never have looked twice on a watch in this segment, both existing enthusiasts across the income spread and people otherwise not bothered/looking for a gateway into the "hobby". On the other hand, a few non-MoonSwatch Swatch sales are probably being converted to MoonSwatch sales, which however carries a premium and likely a slightly better profit margin due to the known technology and fairly low cost of market entry, which normally eats up profits. On top of that comes the raised awareness of the Swatch brand and spill-over effect to other lines (likely to be fairly small). Net result is a increase of new customers with little to no loss of prospective sales of existing lines, a fairly small marketing effort and little change in the supply chain. Increased brand awareness too, for both Omega and Swatch. A massive win in the short term, both in marketing and sales.

Long term: This is where it gets down to speculation and reading tea leaves. My take is that the negative association - if there is a such - is fairly contained due to the sales structure and careful division of technology/conceptualisation/design/values/branding between Omega and Swatch. On one hand you might say that some customers will have a negative perception of the watch due to the basic movement (cheap quartz), light weight of the watch, basic packaging, etc. On the other hand, some will say that the Speedmaster brand gets a lot of air time, that a lot of people will aspire to one day owning an Omega, etc. I am in the camp that claims that the second part outweighs the first, but I am unsure by how much. I don't think that it will have a major impact on future sales/brand perception, but I am fairly certain that it will be a net positive.

It should be evident that Omega lends only two things to this partnership - the name and the design. The technology, user interface, materials, packaging, production, sales and warranty structure, price level and other parts that make up this coorporation are supplied by Swatch. Most importantly, this is all very evident. This is not a Swatch that is being marketed as an Omega and you will find this dynamic in all low/high-end collaborations. The only time this dynamic was really challenged was with the initial marketing phase, where both brands had ambiguous marketing campaigns, but the speculation brought on by that should have been laid to rest. The result is that if you have a poor/not exiting experience with any parts of the watch other than the design, it all falls back on Swatch. And they are okay with this - it is more or less the same product they are selling in droves anyway. If you dislike the design, chances are that you wouldn't end up buying a $7,000 Speedmaster anyway!

My take on the long term customer behaviour:
Bad/not good experience with a MoonSwatch: very likely to not purchase another Swatch, large risk of negative perception of Swatch. Slight risk of negative perception of Omega.
Good/not bad experience with a MoonSwatch: some likelyhood of purchasing another Swatch, large chance of positive perception of Swatch. Large chance of positive perception of Omega.

Does this translate into more sales further down the line? Time will tell, but I feel that it might well do so. I agree that there are risks of poorer perception of the Omega brand, but I feel that this has been mitigated by the efforts in separating what each brand brings to the table. I have a hard time believing that price retention etc. is really influenced by the collaboration, but I will add that I couldn't give two hoots if it were. If you're into watches because they are investments, you and I live in two separate worlds. If you don't like the MoonSwatch because of aesthetics, the flimsy feeling or have other issues, no worries. I dislike most of the new Omegas for my own reasons and there should be room for expressing that on OF 😀



I'll end this with saying that I am genuinely happy with this release though I am not in the target audience and unlikely to ever own one of these. I feel that it taps in excellently with the core values of both Omega and Swatch and I really hope that people will love their new watches!
 
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Here’s my take.

First of all, Swatch has always made cheap plastic watches. While I’ve not seen or held this in person like the rest of you, I’m almost certain that this will have a cheap plastic feel like every other Swatch ever produced. When I first saw the professional photos from Omega, they looked high quality. But, subsequent photos and videos from less flattering angles show the the quality to be cheap. The ticking seconds, the cheap, plastic velcro strap that looks like it would break in a month of wear. None of it looks flattering to Omega.

The real reason for this mashup is because Hayek is trying to prop-up sales at Swatch. The lower priced Swiss watch industry is collapsing right before everyone’s eyes. I’m sure the only reason Aeschlimann agreed to this is because Hayek forced him to. Imagine if you were the CEO of Omega and its an independent watch atelier and some cheap watch company that’s going through rough times comes to you to do a collaboration? I’m sure Aeschlimann was really thinking that Hayek should go f#!k himself. But of course he couldn’t since Hayek is his boss.

Unless things turned around quickly for Swatch, the division, not the parent, it’s in danger of going extinct due to the collapse of the lower end of the market. They had to do something. It’s important because the Hayek family built their entire empire on the Swatch brand. There’s no way Jr. would let the Swatch brand die under his watch. So, this entire scheme was built on the idea of leveraging the Omega brand in order to save the Swatch brand. It will work great for Swatch but not so great for Omega. Sure, it may lead to a bit more sales for Omega as some will graduate to the real deal but Swatch will benefit far more than Omega.

Also, I heard that Swatch stores have now changed their policy. They’re only allowing one per customer tomorrow.

When you say Hayek, are you talking about the guy who turned the Swiss watch industry around with the introduction of the Swatch brand, and who died in 2010?
 
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My bro lives around the corner from the Paris Louvre store, I asked him to stop by and pick one up for me

No dice!

 
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My bro lives around the corner from the Paris Louvre store, I asked him to stop by and pick one up for me

No dice!

Crazy time’s
 
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My bro lives around the corner from the Paris Louvre store, I asked him to stop by and pick one up for me

No dice!


Holy moly
 
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With all the hysteria at stores and we have had a few days to digest the information .

What are your opinions on Onega’s future? This could be bad or god for Omega, I feel a bet confused by it all now.
 
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Other brands would kill for a photo like this. Young people in line the night before for an analog watch release, complete with police protection. This isn't for Jordans, or Call of Duty, or an iPhone. Young people pulling an all nighter for an analog watch in 2022. Swatch Group just hit the biggest home run of their existence.


They’re not queuing up for an analog watch release, they’re queuing up for something they can flip for a profit. This is the same crowd you see at Supreme launches… very few of the people in these lines have any intention of keeping or wearing the watch. And the listings on StockX and eBay are proving that to be true.
 
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They’re not queuing up for an analog watch release, they’re queuing up for something they can flip for a profit. This is the same crowd you see at Supreme launches… very few of the people in these lines have any intention of keeping or wearing the watch. And the listings on StockX and eBay are proving that to be true.

I believe some of the crowd are speculators and some are buying for use, but if they’re speculating they’ll quickly learn the laws of economics that apply to Rolexes may not apply to Swatches.

I’ve been thinking about this release: selling the watches just today would be wasted hype; selling them exclusively through the Swatch stores carries the same problem they’re facing today - a geographically limited market, followed by waning interest.

If they really want to sell a lot of watches they’re going to have to make them readily available.

Limiting sales to one or two pieces, or forcing people to come into their stores strangles volume. Since there are no serial numbers, getting one in a week or a month is the same as buying one on the original date of release.

The long queues look great on TV but they can leave people disappointed and they can even lead to unnecessary competition and friction.

Let’s see what develops in a week or two . . .
 
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My bro lives around the corner from the Paris Louvre store, I asked him to stop by and pick one up for me

No dice!

It is like that all over the world, I can not wait for this epic shitstorm when SG starts selling online 🍿
 
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Really curious to see the opinion of the people who will manage to get this.

I hear the printing on the dial is not as good as some of the photos in Marketing. (From a non forum friend in Melbourne who got to see a few)

If you have a close look at the Fratello video you will see what I mean.