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What Seamaster model is this?

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Hi guys,

Newbie here. Thank you for approving my request to join the group. I took a leap of faith a few days ago and bought my first vintage watch from a dealer [ in my country, Philippines ]. He said it was a caliber 562. Other than that plus the three pictures that you see here, thats all the info I got. Before I purchased it, I did some research on the internet and came across some articles that this is one of the Japan market models ( sorry I absolutely have no idea what that means ).

Except for the strap that he replaced, he vouched that the watch is all genuine. Can anyone tell me what's the model? I tried the vintage watch section of the Omega website but I couldn't find anything.

As soon as I get it, I'll have someone take a peek inside and take pics of the movement. Any info now would at least take some of the anxiety away.

Thanks!
 
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There are many more OF members far more experienced than me but your watch photos show a similarity to my 165.003 case although, since your watch has a date window, my guess is that it could be a 166.003.


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Not sure on the reference, but the dial has been re-painted. I assume the seller didn’t disclose that?
 
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seekingseaquest seekingseaquest
Not sure on the reference, but the dial has been re-painted. I assume the seller didn’t disclose that?

This may sound as a stupid questions.

What has made you realise that the dial has been repainted?

I am trying to learn, to be able to identify those dials.
 
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This may sound as a stupid questions.

What has made you realise that the dial has been repainted?

I am trying to learn, to be able to identify those dials.

Not to be a wise-guy, but @seekingseaquest can identify it as a repainted dial because he has looked at 10,000 correct dials, and knows the obvious and subtle differences. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to replicate his knowledge without putting in the work. Every repainted dial is different, so there's little point in explaining why every one is wrong. If he tells you that the paint finish is wrong or the printing is wrong, that doesn't really help you, since you still can't recognize it for yourself.
 
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Not to be a wise-guy, but @seekingseaquest can identify it as a repainted dial because he has looked at 10,000 correct dials, and knows the obvious and subtle differences. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to replicate his knowledge without putting in the work. Every repainted dial is different, so there's little point in explaining why every one is wrong. If he tells you that the paint finish is wrong or the printing is wrong, that doesn't really help you, since you still can't recognize it for yourself.
What I find especially frustrating is when (knowledgable) people post repainted dials alongside fully original ones and I look at the two and struggle mightily, yet fail to see any difference.
Threads like this one:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/replica-fake-1960’s-speedmaster-pulsations-bezel.101707
I look to eagerly to try and glean some insight, only to face the reality that I have not yet looked at 10,000 correct bezels either. 🤦
 
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@Dan S is right, this isn’t an easy thing to teach. There are small things that can be pointed out, but there are always exceptions and different standards for different models and eras.

That said, I don’t expect matte finished 60s Omega dials. And when a dial is black, I expect gilt text, not white text. The Seamaster text on this one also seems a bit off. The Swiss Made text placement is definitely off. Hash marks typically don’t sit in the middle of the 5-minute markers too. As mentioned, there are exceptions to all of these rules..
 
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@Dan S is right, this isn’t an easy thing to teach. There are small things that can be pointed out, but there are always exceptions and different standards for different models and eras.

That said, I don’t expect matte finished 60s Omega dials. And when a dial is black, I expect gilt text, not white text. The Seamaster text on this one also seems a bit off. The Swiss Made text placement is definitely off. Hash marks typically don’t sit in the middle of the 5-minute markers too. As mentioned, there are exceptions to all of these rules..

Sir, yes the dealer did not disclose that the dial was repainted 🙁. This strips a lot of value from the watch, doesn't it? I paid US$360 for it; I am now hoping I have the right movement inside. I'll have it looked at as soon as it arrives. Thank you for your comments. It has helped me a lot.
 
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There are many more OF members far more experienced than me but your watch photos show a similarity to my 165.003 case although, since your watch has a date window, my guess is that it could be a 166.003.


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Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate it; now I can go back and search more info about it. @seekingseaquest 's assessment about the dial is a bit disheartening but will make me wiser.
 
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There are a hell of a lot of people who make this mistake except with an extra “1” at the beginning of that price tag, so I wouldn’t feel too bad.
 
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There are a hell of a lot of people who make this mistake except with an extra “1” at the beginning of that price tag, so I wouldn’t feel too bad.

With a huge sigh of relief, I thank you, sir, for your help. I'm happy to go about the day wiser and more careful. I am now more eager to hunt for more vintage pieces and will consult here before I go and buy it.
 
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Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate it; now I can go back and search more info about it. @seekingseaquest 's assessment about the dial is a bit disheartening but will make me wiser.

And remember also that 99.99% of the people who see the watch will admire it as a very nice looking vintage luxury watch.

In my (arguable) opinion it’s analogous to getting a vintage car and having the wing repaired and resprayed. If you didn’t everyone would say to you, “Nice car but when are you going to get that wing fixed?”.

And, $360 is a comparatively small 'newbie tax'. If you put it up for sale (disclosing the dial) you’d easily recover your outlay.
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And remember also that 99.99% of the people who see the watch will admire it as a very nice looking vintage luxury watch.

In my (arguable) opinion it’s analogous to getting a vintage car and having the wing repaired and resprayed. If you didn’t everyone would say to you, “Nice car but when are you going to get that wing fixed?”.

And, $360 is a comparatively small 'newbie tax'. If you put it up for sale (disclosing the dial) you’d easily recover your outlay.

Spirit lifted even higher! Thank you for your reassuring words.
 
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