What is going on with Ebay.???

Matty01 · Sep 26, 2019

JwRosenthal
I don’t think much of the outrage is coming from the tax roll-out itself, it’s the timing. We are living in a world where we are seemingly being nickled & dimed to death. Utility degregulation has caused soaring rates, crumbling infrastructure causing exorbitant rate and tax hikes (my water service has quadrupled in the last 2 years to offset the cost of a 130 year old sewage and delivery system) Every service (private or public) has gone to a subscription or alacarte model, “batteries not included” has become the norm. Salary’s have not been commensurate with cost of living increases over the last 20 years for the middle class, so when you squeeze a population to it’s financial limits- then throw another tax on top, don’t wonder why people stop spending.

Yep... testify!

Matty01 · Sep 26, 2019

oinkitt
We are all buying expensive items that none of us actually need. I don't think we have too much to complain about.

I agree but for those on the margins it has gotten a lot uglier in the last few year ... and those who weren’t on the margins are there now ... @JwRosenthal ‘s post explains is beautifully I reckon ...

STANDY · Sep 26, 2019

Like many online shopping sites nowadays it’s the after the cart chargers that are getting more and more.

A $200 knife from “knives ship free” was $70 shipping to Australia from the US.
Your are called knives ship free for F#@ks sake
$20 yes $70 no chance

JwRosenthal · Sep 26, 2019

Matty01
I agree but for those on the margins it has gotten a lot uglier in the last few year ... and those who weren’t on the margins are there now ... @JwRosenthal ‘s post explains is beautifully I reckon ...

On the margins is the key point. I always considered myself comfortable, I live within my means and carry no debt other than my mortgage. I get small cost of living increases and semi-annual meritorious step increases. But the last few years I have found discretionary income tighter-not for any change in my lifestyle, but due to an increase in cost of living.
I think most people who are "in the middle" found tax-free web shopping a way to get around the local tax system for much of their luxury goods spending (and sometimes even household items). Having to pay tax now is akin to taking a 5-10% (or more) salary cut. If a recession was already on the horizon, this will quicken it.

saulgoodman · Sep 26, 2019

JwRosenthal
The problem is, this is coming 10-15 years too late for many small brick & mortar retailers who already closed up shop due to online shopping killing their business. Only the leanest and smartest of them have survived- economic Darminism I guess.

The lack of sales taxes is only one very small reason why online sales have hurt small (and some big) brick and mortar shops. There are so many other bottom line benefits to both online buyers and sellers that small shops can do nothing about. The collection of online sales taxes will not change that. The small shops can't compete with online retailers for a myriad of other reasons. Larger brick and mortar retailers have adopted a hybrid position. Most now have a large online presence and some of the items they sell can only be purchased online. In one way it is a real shame because many small business owners have been hit hard. In another, it is as you say simply an example of economic Darwinism. Once the automobile caught on the horse lost importance. This is just the way things are.

Bill Sohne · Sep 26, 2019

gatorcpa
For the benefit of @Bill Sohne
gatorcpa

@gatorcpa

My UNLIKE button does not work !! only the like button works and it does not apply to your post ! hahahahaha

Bill Sohne · Sep 26, 2019

Hi everyone....

Keep in mind the big boom in original merchants were the mail order catalogs like Sears, Roebuck and Company.... then they started to go brick and mortor.... and now almost 100 years later its back to mail order catalogs and the current incarnation is Amazon.

Personally I already thought of new products as taxable and used products as items that tax was already paid on.... but it seems all the states differ on that...

The really sad part is ... vintage what ever.... postcards , watches, posters etc.... the entire collecting field once again will cost more to do........

Just brings a tear to my eye.

Good Hunting ( or maybe not anymore ).
Bill

JwRosenthal · Sep 26, 2019

Bill Sohne
Hi everyone....

Keep in mind the big boom in original merchants were the mail order catalogs like Sears, Roebuck and Company.... then they started to go brick and mortor.... and now almost 100 years later its back to mail order catalogs and the current incarnation is Amazon.

Personally I already thought of new products as taxable and used products as items that tax was already paid on.... but it seems all the states differ on that...

The really sad part is ... vintage what ever.... postcards , watches, posters etc.... the entire collecting field once again will cost more to do........

Just brings a tear to my eye.

Good Hunting ( or maybe not anymore ).
Bill

I was thinking on this issue of multi-tax when this thread started and find it ponderous. I buy a new watch, I buy it with my money for which I have paid income tax. I pay sales tax on the sale. I sell it on ebay 2 years later for a profit, technically I now need to pay gains tax on that sale, and the buyer pays sales tax in his state. Then 4 years later he sells it for a profit and has to pay gains tax and sales tax is paid again. The third owner keeps it for 30 years and when he dies it's assessed as part of the estate and his offspring have to pay inheritance tax on the value of the watch. How many times can one object be taxed???

Maybe I should move to Delaware where there is no sales tax.

gatorcpa · Sep 26, 2019

Do any of you own automobiles? Ever shop in a flea market or a second-hand store?

All items that are subject to sales tax when purchased new are also subject to sales tax when purchased used. Why should watches be any different? I don’t know of a single state with a sales/use tax law that specifically exempts items purchased used.

Fair is fair...but not Wayfair though.
gatorcpa

Bill Sohne · Sep 26, 2019

gatorcpa
Do any of you own automobiles? Ever shop in a flea market or a second-hand store?

All items that are subject to sales tax when purchased new are also subject to sales tax when purchased used. Why should watches be any different? I don’t know of a single state with a sales/use tax law that specifically exempts items purchased used.

Fair is fair...but not Wayfair though.
gatorcpa

I need a " UNLIKE " Button !!!

Bill

JwRosenthal · Sep 26, 2019

gatorcpa
Do any of you own automobiles? Ever shop in a flea market or a second-hand store?

All items that are subject to sales tax when purchased new are also subject to sales tax when purchased used. Why should watches be any different? I don’t know of a single state with a sales/use tax law that specifically exempts items purchased used.

Fair is fair...but not Wayfair though.
gatorcpa

Gator- you’re using logic- we don’t wanna pay!!!!😒

gatorcpa · Sep 26, 2019

Bill Sohne
I need a " UNLIKE " Button !!!

Bill

Sorry Bill. It is what it is.

Want to “unlike”? Then vote the bums out.
gatorcpa

glownyc · Sep 26, 2019

JwRosenthal
I don’t think much of the outrage is coming from the tax roll-out itself, it’s the timing. We are living in a world where we are seemingly being nickled & dimed to death. Utility degregulation has caused soaring rates, crumbling infrastructure causing exorbitant rate and tax hikes (my water service has quadrupled in the last 2 years to offset the cost of a 130 year old sewage and delivery system) Every service (private or public) has gone to a subscription or alacarte model, “batteries not included” has become the norm. Salary’s have not been commensurate with cost of living increases over the last 20 years for the middle class, so when you squeeze a population to it’s financial limits- then throw another tax on top, don’t wonder why people stop spending.

A cause and effect argument could be made that all the sales tax that you didn't pay is part of the reason things weren't maintained better leading to the increase rates now. It could also be argued that you are the lucky one who benefited for a long time with both lower rates and not paying sales tax. A young person starting out now doesn't get either.

oinkitt · Sep 26, 2019

It seems like someone here doesn't like paying tax. You know what they say about taxes an death......

The fact of the matter is that governments needs a certain amount of funds, they will get it from one place or another no matter what. If the took the tax off used items they would have to increase the tax on new products.

Njnjcfp88 · Sep 26, 2019

On the watches I purchase in the Bay , I usually message the ‘Bay seller if they could kindly reduce the price a little more to mitigate the NJ and EBay fees I get hit with. That helps to put a little salve on the wound sometimes.

blubarb · Oct 19, 2019

Rather than start a new thread I thought I might just add on here as it seems closely related.

I sold a watch on eBay for USD5,000 and it needs to be shipped to Florida USA. I am going to declare the full amount but I would like a rough idea of how much the buyer will be paying in duties. I have tried a number of USA Duty Calculators and they return no duties are payable (which I find unbelievable). Here is an example from one Import Duty Calculator:

"Estimated to be exempt from duties for "9102.21.30
Wrist watches nesi, automatic winding, 2-17 jewels,
watch band of textile material or base metal"

Anyone any idea how much it might cost to get a USD5k watch into the USA from experience or knowledge - surely there is a rough percentage I can apply. Cost of shipping and insurance from Australia about USD100 - appreciate your knowledge

IanES · Oct 19, 2019

blubarb
Rather than start a new thread I thought I might just add on here as it seems closely related.

I sold a watch on eBay for USD5,000 and it needs to be shipped to Florida USA. I am going to declare the full amount but I would like a rough idea of how much the buyer will be paying in duties. I have tried a number of USA Duty Calculators and they return no duties are payable (which I find unbelievable). Here is an example from one Import Duty Calculator:

"Estimated to be exempt from duties for "9102.21.30
Wrist watches nesi, automatic winding, 2-17 jewels,
watch band of textile material or base metal"

Anyone any idea how much it might cost to get a USD5k watch into the USA from experience or knowledge - surely there is a rough percentage I can apply. Cost of shipping and insurance from Australia about USD100 - appreciate your knowledge

Don't know if it's true but I heard that US Customs can be a little strange when people ship watches in to the USA. For example I heard that Rolex USA considers any Rolex watch being imported into the USA to be in breach of Rolex USA's copyright/trademarks. So, even a genuine rolex supplied by a legitimate european AD shipping in to the USA could be stopped/seized by US customs.

Don't know if that's true? Is it?

JwRosenthal · Oct 19, 2019

I haven’t purchased high dollar items on eBay from overseas (over $2k), but have never been charged duty- they have been held up for a few days, but that’s it. Not sure if there is a dollar threshold on value.

JwRosenthal · Oct 19, 2019

IanES
Don't know if it's true but I heard that US Customs can be a little strange when people ship watches in to the USA. For example I heard that Rolex USA considers any Rolex watch being imported into the USA to be in breach of Rolex USA's copyright/trademarks. So, even a genuine rolex supplied by a legitimate european AD shipping in to the USA could be stopped/seized by US customs.

Don't know if that's true? Is it?

And if this is true, I wonder how that’s enforced considering there would need to be special accommodations made for Rolex specifically as goods from other brands get imported by third parties constantly.
Just another reason to hate Rolex- but that’s for a few different threads.

blubarb · Oct 19, 2019

blubarb
Rather than start a new thread I thought I might just add on here as it seems closely related.

I sold a watch on eBay for USD5,000 and it needs to be shipped to Florida USA. I am going to declare the full amount but I would like a rough idea of how much the buyer will be paying in duties. I have tried a number of USA Duty Calculators and they return no duties are payable (which I find unbelievable). Here is an example from one Import Duty Calculator:

"Estimated to be exempt from duties for "9102.21.30
Wrist watches nesi, automatic winding, 2-17 jewels,
watch band of textile material or base metal"

Anyone any idea how much it might cost to get a USD5k watch into the USA from experience or knowledge - surely there is a rough percentage I can apply. Cost of shipping and insurance from Australia about USD100 - appreciate your knowledge

I am getting old and lazy in not using the search function 😲 though to be fair, I finally got to the search, and found that a few years ago I posted a similar question and @Larry S responded with an accurate answer then, so for all interested:

"Yes: (From an invoice on a watch from Italy for which I paid $4,936)
$.90 for the movement +
4.4% duty (Case) +
.3464% Merch. Processing Fee ($17.10) +
other ($7.90 - no detail) +
Advancement Fee of $7.00 (Whatever that is) .=
$81.17 - Short money.

It varies with watch value. Metal or leather bands. For instance the Rolex I just bought, they charged duty on movement. case and bracelet. I've not seen that invoice yet but we talked over the phone during the shipment process. Overall however they are charging peanuts for control, transparency and peace of mind. If there is a problem you get an e-mail and a call. Huge fan."

I am sure the amounts have increased. How the value of the case is determined and only .90c has me 👎

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