What do you guys think about this sub?

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 29, 2014

I want to say that everything is original but the internal ring.

Still, the ring's font all seem correct and the font seems to be made of the same shinny material the rings on other subs have. Somebody retouched them at the factory, maybe? Or too messy?

What do you guys figure?

 

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LouS

·Jan 29, 2014·Mrs Nataf's Other Son

Read this thread carefully and draw your own conclusions
http://omegaforums.net/threads/early-polerouter-sub-discussion.3630/

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 29, 2014

I actually have read that helpful forum discussion.

Do you mean that it could simply be a matter of quality control? It seems like more than they would tolerate.

I hope that's what you meant.

 

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MMMD

·Jan 29, 2014

Mido the Koala believes that this watch might be a countryman...

 

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JohnSteed

·Jan 29, 2014

LouS

Read this thread carefully and draw your own conclusions
http://omegaforums.net/threads/early-polerouter-sub-discussion.3630/

What EF Hutton, er...LouS said, and you're getting the full Monty there. it really is a very helpful chat.

Also, for me, ignoring the pitting, the colour of the hour plots on watch above seem a tad dissimilar to the hour & minute hands.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 29, 2014

I'm fairly convinced it's just because of the light. I have the watch in my hands and they look like the same color.

I'll take my own pictures, when I get the chance.

 

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ulackfocus

·Jan 29, 2014

Banana lume in the hands, and peanut brittle lume on the dial.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 29, 2014

I took a close look in natural light and it seems there might be a very slight difference, you guys are right.

I found another with the same color scheme, I think.

 

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LouS

·Jan 29, 2014·Mrs Nataf's Other Son

Modest_Proposal

Do you mean that it could simply be a matter of quality control? It seems like more than they would tolerate.

I hope that's what you meant.

That's not what I meant.

Modest_Proposal

I took a close look in natural light and it seems there might be a very slight difference, you guys are right.

I found another with the same color scheme, I think.

They all look have the same color scheme. Because they are not naturally aged.

Look at the case on the one you are showing. Have you ever seen any case of any vintage Swiss watch ever - even cheapos - made of such poor quality steel with so much pitting?

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 29, 2014

I assumed that it had just had a rough life. But you've got to be right. It's just too bad.

Looks like I'll pass on it, then. It was a local (potential) deal.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 30, 2014

So do you guys think this one was a fake, too?

It has virtually all the same issues as mine, including a pitted case. It just doesn't have the messy internal ring.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-VINTAGE-UNIVERSAL-GENEVE-POLEROUTER-SUB-DIVER-WATCH-/221311459303?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item338730dfe7&nma=true&si=%2ByY7g2FlMW81fcqsV9lwsRCY4Fs%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

And what about this one? Also a fake? Same issues.

http://watchout.co/en/p/universal-geneve-polerouter-sub





And here are two more with similar lume patterns.





And here's one with a messy ring:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-universal-geneve-polerouter-sub-779264.html

I'm really intent on knowing because if there's a chance this is legit, I want to grab it.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 30, 2014

The movement seems to have been modified correctly.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jan 30, 2014

Lous, I see your points. What you're saying is that there are so many bad eggs flooding the market, that it's actually not comforting for me to find so many that match the one I'm looking at.

 

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LouS

·Jan 30, 2014·Mrs Nataf's Other Son

Modest_Proposal

Lous, I see your points. What you're saying is that there are so many bad eggs flooding the market, that it's actually not comforting for me to find so many that match the one I'm looking at.

that's a fair summary.