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PappaMella
·My 3861 hasn't been reset since end of October and is running at +0.4 seconds accumulated, all comes down to resting it at night in the position which offsets the gain when wearing it during the day.
What average rate should you be happy with on META calibers?
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskOmega sucks, move to the Rolex forums and leave us alone.
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Evitzee
·People seem upset at the initial question because that was the OP's first post. Although I always think new posters that come in with initial questions like this is a bit odd, even provocative, the question itself isn't out of bounds, we talk about accuracy all the time here. Personally, I don't worry about it since I usually don't wear a watch more than 5-7 days before changing out to something else. I never fiddled around with testing the rate in various positions overnight, that's just too much effort for me. If others like to do that as part of the hobby, that's fine. But the industry has talked up accuracy more and more over the years.....COSC, METAS and in-house rate guarantees abound because of better tolerances, silicon hairsprings, more stable balances and other aspects. So what would be my limit if I was concerned about it? A minute a month for a mechanical watch has been considered a very good rate for over a half-century, I still think that is a pretty good benchmark, Rolex now specs their movements as +/- 2 sec/day as adjusted internally even though it only has a COSC base rating. So I would expect an Omega METAS movement to be in that range in the real world. Whether they are or not I have no idea.
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M'Bob
·What do other think is good enough on this caliber? Omega says 0-+6 s/d averaging is within the specs. I would not be happy with a 6k watch that is gaining 5 sec/day
Here's the thing: if I were to lay down 6K for a watch, I would probably know it's accuracy range. If it wasn't acceptable, I wouldn't buy it.
So it begs the question for you: why is this range not acceptable? Is it not accurate enough for you on principle, or just relative to the price?
I think the range posted, for my uses, would be just fine. I would be happy with it.
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YY77
·That is marvelous accuracy.. What is the position that offset the gain on your watch?
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bigsom
·What do other think is good enough on this caliber? Omega says 0-+6 s/d averaging is within the specs. I would not be happy with a 6k watch that is gaining 5 sec/day.
What do you think? Whats your average rate?
For 6k I would be fine if it was regulated to +/- 25 seconds a day or so. I have absolutely no need for intense timing accuracy. Timing accuracy isn't the reason I own any of my watches (even my GS snowflake is owned because of the dial and finishing more than the accuracy).
But some people really love accuracy, and that's cool too! For those people rather than measuring in a daily rate (a cheap movement can do this), look for something that is measured in monthly or yearly rates. Some high accuracy quartz movements can be accurate within a few seconds a year!
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Canuck
·I see. You don't have a meta certified chronometer watch so it's difficult to answer my question? . Well I have and it's gaining 1.5 sek/day. My previous Breitling chronomat cosc was averaging 0.2 in 14 days.. Who needs a 6k watch? Well... Isn't this a omega forum where most people have 6k watches?
I can answer your question. I have a 30 year old Rolex Date-Just chronometer with the 3035 Perpetual movement. Last long term test I did with it, after 3 1/2 months, it had lost 17 seconds! Approx 0.10 seconds loss per day. You have the wrong watch!
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskIs nobody paying attention? Metas gives you the information.
https://www.omegawatches.com/planet...rtification/#advantage_MasterChronometer/home
https://www.omegawatches.com/planet...rtification/#advantage_MasterChronometer/home
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OmegaOwner2019
·What do other think is good enough on this caliber? Omega says 0-+6 s/d averaging is within the specs. I would not be happy with a 6k watch that is gaining 5 sec/day.
What do you think? Whats your average rate?
Omega would certainly ship a watch that METAS tested at +5s/d.
If you are not happy about paying 6k for a product at Omega's standard, then perhaps it's time to buy another product.
Get a Rolex superlative chronometer.
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BradleyJ.
·Mine is right on the cusp of the tolerance and I showed up at a drs appointment 6 seconds early last week. I was pissed.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerWhat do other think is good enough on this caliber?
The spec that Omega calls for is what is acceptable to Omega. If that is not acceptable to you, then you should consider finding a brand that only allows a tighter spec. Good luck with your search.
Cheers, Al
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oneover
·I have owned 3 different 8900 movements and 2 8800 movements all METAS tested. Every one of them was +1 in 24 hours or better. Absolutely amazing, much better than my Rolex movements for accuracy. Omega for many reasons is a lot of bang for the buck.
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Jeeper
·People seem upset at the initial question because that was the OP's first post. Although I always think new posters that come in with initial questions like this is a bit odd, even provocative, the question itself isn't out of bounds, we talk about accuracy all the time here. Personally, I don't worry about it since I usually don't wear a watch more than 5-7 days before changing out to something else. I never fiddled around with testing the rate in various positions overnight, that's just too much effort for me. If others like to do that as part of the hobby, that's fine. But the industry has talked up accuracy more and more over the years.....COSC, METAS and in-house rate guarantees abound because of better tolerances, silicon hairsprings, more stable balances and other aspects. So what would be my limit if I was concerned about it? A minute a month for a mechanical watch has been considered a very good rate for over a half-century, I still think that is a pretty good benchmark, Rolex now specs their movements as +/- 2 sec/day as adjusted internally even though it only has a COSC base rating. So I would expect an Omega METAS movement to be in that range in the real world. Whether they are or not I have no idea.
Great response.
I recently purchased (Jan 20) a Ploprof no date with 8912 calibre. I did not even know about METAS until AFTER I made the purchase. The watch is running to its METAS results +3spd. I love the gimmick, but appreciate that it is a bit gimmicky as the tolerances vary by watch but still meet the same standard. I have a few watches Rolex DJ, Omega PO 42mm 2500, Baume-et-Mercier Capeland S XL & a Hamilton Khaki King. I have never felt the need to measure the timekeeping on any of these even though they all keep time at different rates. I have only measurder the PP because of the interest created by the METAS situation.
I think what I'm trying to say is that the purchases I have made have not been based wholly on timekeeping, the fact that these little marvels of engineering can run consistently at 99%+ accuracy is remarkable.
Rolex @ +/- 2spd is fantastic. Mine is wort timekeeper of them all, but thanks to this site I now understand that it MIGHT need demanitized.
Great forum with very helpful knowledgeable members.
Cheers
Jeeper
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rudagger
·What do other think is good enough on this caliber? Omega says 0-+6 s/d averaging is within the specs. I would not be happy with a 6k watch that is gaining 5 sec/day.
What do you think? Whats your average rate?
For me, I would hope for 2-3 seconds, but would be ready to accept 6 s if that is the spec.
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rudagger
·Dude...It's customary and courteous to introduce yourself BEFORE barging in on this forum.
I don't agree This is not the king's court where we ought to bow and show deference. What does it matter if he is Bob from New York? You join, you ask an honest question, and you should get an honest answer.
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Canuck
·I don't agree This is not the king's court where we ought to bow and show deference. What does it matter if he is Bob from New York? You join, you ask an honest question, and you should get an honest answer.
I gave the correct answer to @PappaMella who obviously is not happy with 5 second per day variation. Seems he knows QUARTZ is not the answer, but he has yet to tell us what he thinks the answer should be.
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Katana
·My Globemaster is Metas certified and is +5 sec a day,m. That is the within the accuracy rating that was promised by the company, so as long as it sticks to that rating, then I find it acceptable. So far it’s been spot on accurate to +5 sec a day, and I’ve been wearing it everyday for a year and 2 months. I knew this going into the purchase so I have no complaints. Adjusting the watch everyday is part of my ritual now, for which I enjoy. I chose the watch for the full package that it is, not only accuracy rating, even though that was part of the decision. It’s always good to go into an expensive purchase knowing what you should expect, and if the watch or brand doesn’t meet your expectations then it’s best to move to something else.
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Faz
·I don't agree This is not the king's court where we ought to bow and show deference. What does it matter if he is Bob from New York? You join, you ask an honest question, and you should get an honest answer.
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VetPsychWars
·I've found something interesting with my LE Railmaster. While it is indeed resistant to magnetic fields, it CAN get magnetized.
METAS only requires that the watch remains running after being subjected to the 15000 gauss (1.5T) field. It need not run within spec.
I still haven't figured out how my Railmaster is being magnetized but it seems to happen somewhat often.
When it is not magnetized it runs on the wrist at 0s/day, pretty much. After it's magnetized, it's +3s/day. Both are well within specification.
After I demagnetize it, it returns to 0s/day.
You can look at the certification requirments here:
https://www.metas.ch/metas/en/home/dok/rechtliches/Zertifizierung_Uhren.html
Tom
METAS only requires that the watch remains running after being subjected to the 15000 gauss (1.5T) field. It need not run within spec.
I still haven't figured out how my Railmaster is being magnetized but it seems to happen somewhat often.
When it is not magnetized it runs on the wrist at 0s/day, pretty much. After it's magnetized, it's +3s/day. Both are well within specification.
After I demagnetize it, it returns to 0s/day.
You can look at the certification requirments here:
https://www.metas.ch/metas/en/home/dok/rechtliches/Zertifizierung_Uhren.html
Tom
