What about the quality of a Cal 1011 ?

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OK though I've already carefully read Desmond's detailed movement review, I have not seen many comments here about this movement until now ; the 168.0065 recently drew my attention : quite uncommonly seen on the web -
It's got all the criterion of the Genta design, except the 10sided crown which Omega did not put back on this "last of the last dog leg", and it's got painted markers instead of onyx inserts 🙁
I could grab one for approx. €1800 which is supposed to come straight from Japan, and seems to be in a very good condition, but I am a bit worried by the "less good" reputation of this generation of movements as compared with the 5xx series, which everybody here consider to be the "crème de la crème" of Connies movements.

Talked to my local watchmaker the other day, and he's saying that the rotor IS the potential problem of that watch, with often off-centering resulting in the rotor scrubbing the case, and in the end a costly part to change.
In the end, the sum-up of most comments could be : "a pretty good and accurate movement if serviced frequently"...

Is it that bad ?? Should I keep my fingers away from a 1011 ?
Thanks for your (always) valuable comments !
 
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I will not say to keep the finger away for any caliber.. It's not like you will wear only one watch for many years.. and at some point evey movement will need attention..
 
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The cal. 101X series is very much different than the 100X series of movements.

You might want to read this for more clarification:

http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec//Movement4.pdf

gatorcpa

Yes @gatorcpa : well, if you have a look at the first sentence of my initial message ... 😗
Sorry but even if Desmond is an undisputed expert of Connies, one of my weak points is that I have an indescriptible need to gather several comments on a said subject to build my own opinion... and I know that there is a bunch of Connie experts around here !!

And also because I would imagine that most of what Desmond wrote is now 10 to 15 years old, and this is quite a bit for a movement which at that time was then 30-35 years old, and now about 50 years old : that means quite more life experience for a much less popular calibre, and what's more, by far not a big seller vs the 5xx series ! 😉
 
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I don’t know if any thing that has changed since that article was written.

it’s little like asking if there were any flaws discovered on a 1970’s car over the last 15 years.

Anything that could go wrong, has already gone wrong. I doubt there are many of these watches (or most other vintage watches) that have been used everyday for the last 15 years anyway.

I have a 168.0065. I think I got it around the time Desmond’s article was written. Had it serviced when I received it and it works fine. It’s just that I wear it maybe one day every 2-3 months.

I would not recommend any vintage watch to be one’s only, everyday watch. That regardless of how well engineered it is (or is not). That’s just asking for trouble.
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OK Thanks @gatorcpa !
My point asking is not whether a 1011 that run OK for its first 35 years would eventually run into problems during its next 15 years of life, but I'm sure you understood that already ! 😉
But fact is that hardly anybody heard about it until Desmond "discovered" it around 2009, so not quite under the spotlights before... then he wrote several articles about that year : probably you at that time came across yours, and you added it to your collection - then late last year, Ashley Budgen wrote an interesting article about "the Final Pan Pie", so spotlights become warmer, and as it often is, one start talking about a watch, and its pros & cons, where 2 decades ago, 90% (to be optimistic) of the members of the "Connie Fan Club" did not even know of this 168.0065 / Cal 1011.

And, supposing that the Omega Caliber Ledger is accurate, only 110,000 pieces of this 1011 Cal. have been produced, 100% dedicated to Constellations, which is a drop in the ocean of the production of this iconic collection, and should we trust the "unofficial rumors" probably not more than 2,000 pieces have been fitted in a 168.0065 ...

Having said this, I fully agree with you that a 50 years old watch should not be worn on everyday basis, but believe me, if I grab this one, it'll be far more often on my wrist than 1-2 days every 2 months ! But this is understandable as I am 150% sure that I haven't got as many watches as you ! 😀
 
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Having said this, I fully agree with you that a 50 years old watch should not be worn on everyday basis, but believe me, if I grab this one, it'll be far more often on my wrist than 1-2 days every 2 months ! But this is understandable as I am 150% sure that I haven't got as many watches as you ! 😀

No reason a 50 year old watch can’t be worn as a daily watch. As long as it’s properly maintained, it can be used just st as any new watch can.
 
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No reason a 50 year old watch can’t be worn as a daily watch. As long as it’s properly maintained, it can be used just st as any new watch can.
@Archer : being an experienced watchmaker, what is your opinion on the reliability of a 1011 Calibre vs the 5xx series ? I would imagine that you have had some of them to service ??
 
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@Archer : being an experienced watchmaker, what is your opinion on the reliability of a 1011 Calibre vs the 5xx series ? I would imagine that you have had some of them to service ??

The 1010 series, like the 1000 series before it, is quite thin. In order to make it thin, some of the parts, particularly on the dial side are not as robust as on the 55X/56X series. Keeping up on the maintenance is important on these...
 
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@Archer, thank you very much for this valuable comment ! It will be my first Connie, and I am currently struggling between 2 watches on offer, a '69 564 and a '73 1011 : the reverse dial looks really gorgeous, but the 564 is in slightly better shape, and considering what you just stated, high probability that I will go for the earlier.