What’s happening on March 26th then?

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“The Bioceramic MoonSwatch Collection is not available for the time being for purchase online. We remind you that it is not a limited edition and will soon be available again in selected Swatch stores. Please click HERE to view an updated list of stores. Or use the link below to sign in on our page to get notification when the collection will be available online.”

Thank you for sharing that. 👍 I'm not involved in the analysis. Current info from Swatch, at least, is good.
 
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Not so opposed to being first and last in snark, just more of a disher than a taker, eh?

Ps: being available online tells us nothing at all about supply. Nike sells its limited production sneakers online (not counting the few dozen it sends to “select” retailers). Same goes for Supreme, and every other quintessential “hype” retailer on the planet.

One of the fundamentals of supply and demand is that you must first generate demand
Online is worse than select stores. At least with in-store purchase you have a chance by waking up early and getting in line. On-line is going to be owned by bots.
 
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Not so opposed to being first and last in snark, just more of a disher than a taker, eh?

Ps: being available online tells us nothing at all about supply. Nike sells its limited production sneakers online (not counting the few dozen it sends to “select” retailers). Same goes for Supreme, and every other quintessential “hype” retailer on the planet.

But thanks for continuing to misunderstand the the fundamentals of supply and demand (i.e., you must first generate demand)
I still don’t know what first snark I displayed might have been, but I do understand that Swatch Group created the demand with their little MoonSwatch roll-out last week. Perhaps you missed it.

In any event, the demand has been rather successfully created and now it’s up to Swatch Group to meet that demand with supply. As of now there’s no indication any buyers will be left in the lurch . . .

By the way, I should point out that none of my alleged ‘snark’ has consisted of personal insult as others have stooped to. You might want to look up the term ‘sarcasm’ in your Funk & Wagnalls.
 
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Online is worse than select stores. At least with in-store purchase you have a chance by waking up early and getting in line. On-line is going to be owned by bots.
If there’s a ready supply of watches there’d be no need for the “flippers” to corner the market.
 
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If there’s a ready supply of watches there’d be no need for the “flippers” to corner the market.

that is the point, Swatch has said that it will not be a limited run. The question is, do the boys know that?
 
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that is the point, Swatch has said that it will not be a limited run. The question is, do the boys know that?
Doesn’t really matter. Rolex sport models aren’t a limited run either- but we see what’s happening there.

A flipper also stands to make much more money buying 5000 of these and selling them at double msrp than buying 10 Rolex sport models and making $5k each.
 
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that is the point, Swatch has said that it will not be a limited run. The question is, do the boys know that?
I am relying on the single email from last evening, but I would guess Swatch will be up-dating their various social media accounts to reflect the up-coming on-line availability.

I would also guess they’re moving as swiftly as they can before the buzz fades and the people who stood in queues around the world are distracted by something else. Personally I feel they made a terrible mistake by being under-prepared last week, and by launching the range without any back-stock.

I tried signing up for their email up-dates last night but it would not go through, so maybe their site was too crowded. I got registered this morning . . .
 
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Doesn’t really matter. Rolex sport models aren’t a limited run either- but we see what’s happening there.
But Rolex production and distribution are regulated by Rolex just as diamond production is regulated by deBeers in an intentional effort to keep demand high.

Right now we don’t know what the supply will be on the MoonSwatches, but offering them on-line instead of exclusively through a few select dealers certainly bodes well.
 
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But Rolex production and distribution are regulated by Rolex just as diamond production is regulated by deBeers in an intentional effort to keep demand high.

Right now we don’t know what the supply will be on the MoonSwatches, but offering them on-line instead of exclusively through a few select dealers certainly bodes well.
Agreed- and you used the operative “regulated”, but it’s not “limited”.
 
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In any event, the demand has been rather successfully created and now it’s up to Swatch Group to meet that demand with supply. As of now there’s no indication any buyers will be left in the lurch . . .

I won't pretend to know how this will play out, either scenario seems reasonably plausible to me. However, I do want to interject to note that your economic analysis fails to incorporate human psychology and business motivations other than profit seeking. People generally lust after things they can't have and brands like Omega like to be seen as making lustworthy products. The benefit of this collaboration may not lie in the money that is made from sales of these relatively affordable watches, but rather in the brand equity that is built by the perception of exclusivity and desire fomented from seeing hundreds of people wait in lines and watches sell out in an instant. The concept is similar to that of a Veblen good demand curve, only substitute perceived exclusivity for price. In other words, demand for a product increases as its perceived exclusivity increases. If Swatch and Omega produce "adequate supply" to meet demand, they'll make some money but sacrifice brand equity; no need to lust after something that you can readily get.

Which is more important to the Swatch Group right now, well, none of us really know. They may open the floodgates with online availability, or they may have an artificially limited online stock that sells out in a matter of minutes. As both you and @cvalue13 have noted, other companies do this regularly to keep demand high. We don't know at this point. But I understand that guessing and assuming in a low-information environment is great fun -- that's why we're here!
 
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But Rolex production and distribution are regulated by Rolex just as diamond production is regulated by deBeers in an intentional effort to keep demand high.

Right now we don’t know what the supply will be on the MoonSwatches, but offering them on-line instead of exclusively through a few select dealers certainly bodes well.
Rolex only regulates production. The ultimate end distribution is handled by the AD network of which Rolex only owns one boutique in the world. Rolex only lightly regulates end distribution with their AD agreements but for the most part they don't care what the AD does.
 
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From the get-go I’ve felt Swatch Group would have to be historically stupid as a business to ramp up last Wednesday’s hype, only to disappoint not only the assembled masses, but also those were who geographically beyond the scope of the select stores.

If, after the huge turn-outs of last week, Swatch intentionally turns the spigot to a trickle on these watches on-line, they will have hurt themselves vastly more than they’ve helped themselves.

Being an eternal optimist I’ve got to believe I’ll get Mission to Nettuno to match my car.
 
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I still don’t know what first snark I displayed might have been, but…. Youmight want to look up the term ‘sarcasm’ in your Funk & Wagnalls.

Apologies, didn’t appreciate that your entire moral code hinges on the distinction between “snark” and “sarcasm”

(is that response snark or sarcasm, btw?)


that is the point, Swatch has said that it will not be a limited run. The question is, do the boys know that?

again, Swatch has consistently and - importantly - precisely said it is not a “limited editionwhich based on recent history tells us NOTHING about ultimate product availability … for only a few examples



Right now we don’t know what the supply will be on the MoonSwatches, but offering them on-line instead of exclusively through a few select dealers certainly bodes well.

We’re in violent agreement that we don’t know what supply will be. That has been the extent of my point: anyone suggesting that it’s clear these will be the duly available has no leg to stand on yet, and in fact there are good signs that they won’t be, so at best this is a 50/50 “nobody knows either way” scenario.

We definitely do not see similarly the idea that being available online “bodes well” in either direction.

There’s just rafts of myopic assumptions of product availability being flung about, in the face of contrary and uncertain information pointing either direction.

But this is the most myopic and uninformed assertion being regurgitated:


If, after the huge turn-outs of last week, Swatch intentionally turns the spigot to a trickle on these watches on-line, they will have hurt themselves vastly more than they’ve helped themselves.

You seem to refuse to acknowledge the countervailing fact that the most successful apparel (and watch) brands of the past 10 years have ALL explicitly traded on artificial scarcity as their key to increased sales and revenues.

Ignoring that and treating these products like the sale of artichokes is just bizarre, head-in-sand, behavior

I get that you really want one, and I do too. “
 
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From the get-go I’ve felt Swatch Group would have to be historically stupid as a business to ramp up last Wednesday’s hype, only to disappoint not only the assembled masses, but also those were who geographically beyond the scope of the select stores.

If, after the huge turn-outs of last week, Swatch intentionally turns the spigot to a trickle on these watches on-line, they will have hurt themselves vastly more than they’ve helped themselves.

Being an eternal optimist I’ve got to believe I’ll get Mission to Nettuno to match my car.

Maybe! Some consumers might be turned off and stomp away mad, others might be left with that itch that they just couldn't scratch... the proverbial "one that got away" or Gatsby's green light, so to speak, and continue to see Omega as an unattainable but no less desirable brand for the foreseeable future. Who knows what the team of analysts that Swatch Group employs have recommended at this point, or if they're still figuring it out.

I was able to buy one, want to buy more, and hope that you'll be able to buy one for yourself as well! But careful with the Neptune or else your wrist will also end up matching your car 😉
 
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But careful with the Neptune or else your wrist will also end up matching your car 😉

have you done the q-tip test yet?!
 
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have you done the q-tip test yet?!

You want me to put water on a watch with only 30m of WR -- on purpose??? Well, you're in luck because I did. Absolutely no problems with my watch (Mercury) or my partner's (Jupiter). Seems like an issue limited to the Neptune, and even then who knows how many are actually affected.
 
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You want me to put water on a watch with only 30m of WR -- on purpose??? Well, you're in luck because I did. Absolutely no problems with my watch (Mercury) or my partner's (Jupiter). Seems like an issue limited to the Neptune, and even then who knows how many are actually affected.

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There’s just rafts of myopic assumptions...
Ah yes, perfect description of almost any online forum 😉


... the... fact that the most successful apparel (and watch) brands of the past 10 years have ALL explicitly traded on artificial scarcity as their key to increased sales and revenues.
I see some herald this OMEGA x Swatch Speedmaster MoonSwatch as a great sign that they are NOT following Rolex.

Are you suggesting they may be imitating the artificially created scarcity to drive demand(I don't believe you're insisting, simply suggesting), even though they are differentiating themselves with such a high-low colab (which they are uniquely positioned to do given their vast range of watch levels)?
 
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I see some herald this OMEGA x Swatch Speedmaster MoonSwatch as a great sign that they are NOT following Rolex.

Are you suggesting they may be imitating the artificially created scarcity to drive demand(I don't believe you're insisting, simply suggesting), even though they are differentiating themselves with such a high-low colab (which they are uniquely positioned to do given their vast range of watch levels)?

Rolex didn’t invent scarcity-induced hype, they’ve merely had the freedom (private company) and position (price-point and manufacturing scale) to come to exemplify it in the watch world. (Though AP, PP, and plenty others do this just as well though at few units and less obtainable price points).

So, creating a halo-hype product steeped in exclusivity as a way to drive up demand for the brand (not the specific model), would be Omega merely following luxury apparel 101 in the 2000’s.

Case-in-point: other luxury brands long ago determined that limited editions (with numbering) paradoxically do not draw the same attention and fervor as product with simply mysterious availability that is likely to be exclusive.

So, on that view, Omega’s move to avoiding limited editions in favor of instead simply limited production is another indication that Omega is catching up with the times. This doesn’t start with the MoonSwatch, it starts at least 3 years back with NEW321, Snoopy, etc.

That background stated, I’m not insisting I have special knowledge of Omega’s plans and know for a certainty they will continue following the hype release playbook, but instead insisting only that people confident that Omega isn’t doing that are ignoring lots of contrary data.

It would be very interesting if Omega floods the market with these MoonSwatch. Interesting in part because it would run contrary to the past 10-15 years of luxury apparel hype release playbook. It’s even an optimistic view of Omega’s “otherness” - but one not recently well supported given the NEW321, Snoopy, etc., behavior.

More on that in a moment.

But if you’re interested, here’s a 2020 piece about the recent “history” of these releases, the “playbook” created, based on a review of the 2004 collaboration between Karl Lagerfeld and H&M

“Seminal Moment: When Karl Lagerfeld Embraced H&M
The project broke down barriers between luxury and mass; democratized design; and foreshadowed rampant collaborations, drops and pop-up concepts.“

An interesting bit of history that article doesn’t get into, however, is what became of Karl Lagerfeld’s view of the collaboration after he realized H&M was intentionally throttling production:

In an interview with German magazine Stern, as referenced by Vogue and recounting in this article, he later accused the retailer of "snobbery."

"It was great to work with the people at H&M as we all helped each other to make it a success," he said. "But the incomprehensible decisions of the management in Stockholm have taken away any desire to do it again. They did not make the clothes in sufficient quantities."

He continued: "I find it embarrassing that H&M let down so many people… I don't think that is very kind, especially for people in small towns and countries in eastern Europe. It is snobbery created by anti-snobbery."


So, on one hand, the Lagerfeld X H&M collaboration is viewed by many as having changed fashion marketing forever by introducing these high-low hype rollouts.

But on the other hand, that same collaboration’s creator was ultimately put off by the whole thing due to the appearance of intending to democratize and widely distribute while simultaneously having no intention to do so.

From that framing, I continue to say: I’ll believe “widely available” when I have purchased 2-6 of these for MSRP, in a casual manner.
 
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You seem to refuse to acknowledge the countervailing fact that the most successful apparel (and watch) brands of the past 10 years have ALL explicitly traded on artificial scarcity as their key to increased sales and revenues.

Ignoring that and treating these products like the sale of artichokes is just bizarre, head-in-sand, behavior

I get that you really want one, and I do too. “

And you seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that Swatch have always done things their own way. Just the very existence of Swatch flies in the face of traditional Swiss watch manufacturing. Had it not been for Nicolas Hayek, Sr., the chap who invented Swatch and saved, among others, Omega, you wouldn’t have anywhere to spend your every waking hour talking down to strangers.

I guess in your world everyone always acts in the same predictable ways forever. I’m betting Swatch makes availability broad enough to satisfy the people who want to buy the watches in the MoonSwatch range.

Just as an FYI, I am not in a violent agreement or disagreement of any kind; if your knickers are in a twist over over the supply of $260 from Swatch, I’d suggest you turn off the computer for a while and that you take a walk in the fresh air.

Me? I’m going to peel (shuck?) some artichokes, take a nap and then look for my email from Swatch telling me I can buy all the MoonSwatches I want.