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Matty1
·No, they are not all built this way. A traditional sub seconds movements doesn't have a center seconds wheel at all.
This allows Rolex to use this movement for other watches with central seconds, so saves them having to develop both styles of movements.
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GoBlueJedi
·Exactly. It’s not the thickness that’s necessarily a problem but they gotta introduce some lines somehow and break up that hockey puck looking case. I almost think they do it intentionally to force us to move onto Rolex.
Personally, I think the thickness itself is also a problem. If lower-tier brands can make GMTs that come in under 14mm (or even 13mm), what are Tudor and Omega doing? It's clearly not limited to brands like Rolex, so why is Omega behind the curve?
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerM Matty1How does this compare to the omega sub seconds in the AT?
Same idea - both for the sub-seconds AT, and the Seamaster 1948.
The main difference is that these are based off already existing movements (89800 and 8800 respectively) where this is a new Rolex movement. It's odd that they would pick a sub-seconds watch to debut this in.
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pspagano2099
·Personally, I think the thickness itself is also a problem. If lower-tier brands can make GMTs that come in under 14mm (or even 13mm), what are Tudor and Omega doing? It's clearly not limited to brands like Rolex, so why is Omega behind the curve?
If the Longines Zulu leaks are true, the fact that they can make a 39mm, 13.5mm thick true GMT should be embarassing to Omega. They're getting shown up by a cheaper Swatch Group brand. Here's hoping OmegaSteel allows them to get a co-axial GMT movement into a 42mm Seamaster this year.
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GoBlueJedi
·If the Longines Zulu leaks are true, the fact that they can make a 39mm, 13.5mm thick true GMT should be embarassing to Omega. They're getting shown up by a cheaper Swatch Group brand. Here's hoping OmegaSteel allows them to get a co-axial GMT movement into a 42mm Seamaster this year.
I'm not sure what leaks you're referring to. Is there potentially another, smaller Longines GMT in 2023?
Regardless, the 2022 Longines Spirit Zulu Time (42mm) is listed at 13.9mm thick. The Certina, using the ETA Powermatic movement, is listed at 12.9mm! Meanwhile, the Omega AT 150m GMT is at 14.3mm. That's bad enough. If Longines can do it at 39mm x 13.5mm, that'd be even worse.
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Mcb87
·I do wonder if they'll have anything to respond to the fact that the Rolex group appears to be positioning Tudor as the primary competitor to Omega with the aim of certifying all of its watches to the METAS standard. A lot of people are going to see that parity as Omega being closer to Tudor than Rolex.
In the meanwhile Longines is competing hard with Tudor 😉 The new Spirit series are mostly compared to Tudor and see a lot of people choosing them over Tudor. Omega with its build quality and accuracy way above Tudor and only maybe comparable still with Rolex. The problem with Omega is only its product range. The catalogue is way too crowded and the focus changes so fast within the brand. This I find very negative for branding.
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BenzBhoy
·Evidently, neither of them can make a sporty GMT that's less than 14mm thick. So they have that in common. I guess to get something like that, you gotta get to the tippy top echelon. Like Longines. Or Certina.
Hi
Surely this height is related to how waterproof the watch is? It’s like trying to compare a 200hp engine to a 300hp version.
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ErichPryde
·Hi
Surely this height is related to how waterproof the watch is? It’s like trying to compare a 200hp engine to a 300hp version.
To some degree, but it's not a totally linear relationship when you're looking at all watches with 300m water resistance.
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Cod Holliday
·FWIW, I think the new Ingeniuer design from IWC is a serious contender for best new watch so far in 2023. I’m partial to the black dial. Fantastic looking watch. Keeping to the Genta roots but also clearly distinct. Also: 120-hour power reserve.
Wonder if it’s going to be impossible to get like a Royal Oak or Nautilus…
100% my fav watch release this year.
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kilofinal
·The new IWC Ingenieur is over priced for what it is imo
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GoBlueJedi
·Hi
Surely this height is related to how waterproof the watch is? It’s like trying to compare a 200hp engine to a 300hp version.
Not to keep bringing up Certina as the gold standard, but it provides a great counter to the Omega. The DS Action GMT has 200m water resistance at 12.9mm thickness, compared to 150m for the Omega AT at 14.3mm thickness. So the water resistance isn't necessarily the issue. There is clearly something else going on.
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SpeedyPhill
·Too big, overpriced, tech problems, ...
None ... and I mean NONE of the modern day wrist watch brands brought anything out causing the Stendhal syndrome with watch lovers ! 😁
None ... and I mean NONE of the modern day wrist watch brands brought anything out causing the Stendhal syndrome with watch lovers ! 😁
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spacemission
·No, they are not all built this way. A traditional sub seconds movements doesn't have a center seconds wheel at all.
This allows Rolex to use this movement for other watches with central seconds, so saves them having to develop both styles of movements.
Same idea - both for the sub-seconds AT, and the Seamaster 1948.
The main difference is that these are based off already existing movements (89800 and 8800 respectively) where this is a new Rolex movement. It's odd that they would pick a sub-seconds watch to debut this in.
Your posts are gold. Thank you.
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EauTerre
·The giant straight /slab sides... hideous
Also I just checked my 1st gen Aquaterra, and it doesn't look that much different, really. The chamfers are just longer and a bit more pronounced, but there's only so much one can do to disguise the sides of a case.
