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I was thinking the same at first, but apparently Rolex was too cheap to actually come out with a true sub-seconds calibre. The movement has a central seconds hand, it's just capped with a pin, not unlike what some microbrands do with ETA and Sellita movements when they're trying to get that 2-hander look.

I thought the old Cellini was gorgeous. This 1908 is just okay in comparison.

 
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I thought the old Cellini was gorgeous. This 1908 is just okay in comparison.

That awful italicised branding though, like the indecisive font mess that is Grand Seiko.
 
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Faux Rivets and The Sickness for The Thiccness are two reasons modern Tudor will remain a strong "No-Go" for me.
 
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Faux Rivets and The Sickness for The Thiccness are two reasons modern Tudor will remain a strong "No-Go" for me.

it literally looks like the titanic viewed from the side.

Ok maybe not literally. but to me.
 
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Hunh. Are you 100% on this? Because the watch does have small seconds in that 6 o'clock subdial, right? So you're saying the movement is actually a center-seconds one and then they've somehow rigged it up to a subdial and capped off the center post?

Not saying you're wrong---I don't have the knowledge to make an assertion either way. But Rolex did create a new movement for this watch (the 7140), and they do all their own in-house stuff: it seems out of character that they'd launch a new watch with a brand new movement and then just b.s. their way through it like this... And it's not like they've never had small seconds movements before.

With apologies to the OP, whose thread is now thoroughly hijacked. 😀

No apologizes necessary, love the knowledge and opinions shared. All in a good discussion for a first time poster and watch novice that I am
 
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Faux Rivets and The Sickness for The Thiccness are two reasons modern Tudor will remain a strong "No-Go" for me.

Watch out. It's a hard sickness to clear. I got a BB41 and suddenly this thing seemed pretty modest in size. Now anything under 40mm feels unbearably tiny.

 
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It's not the diameter that's the problem. It's not the THICKNESS that is the problem. it is the sheer wall of steel that the case side presents itself as. I came very close to picking up a 41mm BB as well, but that slab-sidedness looks like they just didn't know what to do with the sides. It would be like putting my 2 year old in an XXL winter coat or something.


EDIT: SM300H gen 1 (top image) vs Black Bay 41mm (bottom image)
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Despite having "essentially" the same thickness, these two watches couldn't present and wear more differently. even with a 1.5mm NATO strap single passing on the SM300, It doesn't FEEL like it wears as thick.


and I really like some of Tudor's watches- so I wish they hadn't done this with the profile.

ALSO: as a last comment... nice watch- and very cool background in the pic.

Watch out. It's a hard sickness to clear. I got a BB41 and suddenly this thing seemed pretty modest in size. Now anything under 40mm feels unbearably tiny.

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It's not the diameter that's the problem. It's not the THICKNESS that is the problem. it is the sheer wall of steel that the case side presents itself as. I came very close to picking up a 41mm BB as well, but that slab-sidedness looks like they just didn't know what to do with the sides. It would be like putting my 2 year old in an XXL winter coat or something.
Exactly. It’s not the thickness that’s necessarily a problem but they gotta introduce some lines somehow and break up that hockey puck looking case. I almost think they do it intentionally to force us to move onto Rolex.
 
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Exactly. It’s not the thickness that’s necessarily a problem but they gotta introduce some lines somehow and break up that hockey puck looking case. I almost think they do it intentionally to force us to move onto Rolex.


At some point--- I think what Tudor is doing is ultimately good for Tudor--- but at some point they need to start being truly not second to Rolex. Maybe that's what they're trying to do. Maybe Rolex is concerned that if they make them look too good, they'll steal Rolex sales. I dunno. But Rolex is "good" only because of exclusivity, which is completely artificially created. If Tudor upped their case design---- I mean if I could pick up something like a modern Tudor based on the 7016 sub or something similar- something VERY tudor and "good," I don't know why I would EVER look at Rolex (and I don't look at Rolex as it is). Not sure if this makes sense, but the design features that are unique to Tudor do hold my interest, if only they'd... well, step out of Rolex's shadow.
 
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ALSO: as a last comment... nice watch- and very cool background in the pic.

Thanks and no worries - I know the Tudor cases are hard to love and posting the P01 is nearly trolling on my part. I sort of like brutalist design and so the slab sides don't bother me much.

I think we all just want Tudor to reissue a true Tudor sub, but they probably never will to preserve the status of the Rolex sub.
 
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I think we all just want Tudor to reissue a true Tudor sub, but they probably never will to preserve the status of the Rolex sub.


I can't speak on everyone's behalf, but this statement rings so true for me. Square markers and no date, and I might own something other than an Omega.
 
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FWIW, I think the new Ingeniuer design from IWC is a serious contender for best new watch so far in 2023. I’m partial to the black dial. Fantastic looking watch. Keeping to the Genta roots but also clearly distinct. Also: 120-hour power reserve.

Wonder if it’s going to be impossible to get like a Royal Oak or Nautilus…
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Hunh. Are you 100% on this? Because the watch does have small seconds in that 6 o'clock subdial, right? So you're saying the movement is actually a center-seconds one and then they've somehow rigged it up to a subdial and capped off the center post?

Yes, the movement is actually a center-seconds one. A lot of Sellita/ETA movements rigged up with small-seconds subdial have extraneous parts to facilitate this, as seen here:

Even Sellita could afford to make a cannon pinion that covered the center seconds pivot on their subdial-equipped movements.

The overall architecture of the movement, which utilizes a directly driven center seconds wheel, is still the same as the standard 2824/SW200. Vintage watches used to have small seconds by default due to movement architecture at the time.
 
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I can't speak on everyone's behalf, but this statement rings so true for me. Square markers and no date, and I might own something other than an Omega.
I think what you are both describing already exists in the form of the Pelagos 39.
 
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Tudor makes a beautiful dial but they have this one teeny tiny giant problem…


Had the coin, walked into the shop and saw the billboard sides and that ended my Tudor fascination…..
 
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Yes, the movement is actually a center-seconds one. A lot of Sellita/ETA movements rigged up with small-seconds subdial have extraneous parts to facilitate this, as seen here:

Even Sellita could afford to make a cannon pinion that covered the center seconds pivot on their subdial-equipped movements.

The overall architecture of the movement, which utilizes a directly driven center seconds wheel, is still the same as the standard 2824/SW200. Vintage watches used to have small seconds by default due to movement architecture at the time.

Yes, this appears to be the same sort of set-up you would see on an ETA 2895-2 for example:



On the dial side, the upper arrow shows a jewel:



With the cover removed, you can see that jewel, then two intermediate wheels, and then at 6 o'clock, the new seconds wheel:



The jewel is for the extended escape wheel, which is used to drive this mechanism on the dial side:



Here is that side in action:


So this is a very "economical" way of taking a center seconds movement, and turning it into a sub-seconds movement.
 
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Is this necessarily a cheap-out move by Rolex? On some level are all subseconds movements built this way?

Just trying to understand how disappointed people should be. 😀
 
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Is this necessarily a cheap-out move by Rolex? On some level are all subseconds movements built this way?

Just trying to understand how disappointed people should be. 😀

No, they are not all built this way. A traditional sub seconds movements doesn't have a center seconds wheel at all.

This allows Rolex to use this movement for other watches with central seconds, so saves them having to develop both styles of movements.
 
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Tudor makes a beautiful dial but they have this one teeny tiny giant problem…
The polished cases ❓❓