Watch Making in China

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As some of you may know I have had a close connection and interest to Chinese manufacturers since the early 1990's before China opened its doors on the industrial scale that occured in the last 20 years.
With due diligence and patience I have always had good experiences with selected manufacturers but of course this is not truly representative of the the total market supply and many will have had terrible experiences as have I in the chinese retail supply chain.

I was pleased to see this 3 part series of articles recently on a link I found from the OF https://revolutionwatch.com/in-depth-chinese-independent-watchmaking-history/

And also this one from the same website https://revolutionwatch.com/china-movement-manufacturers/

They all make for a great eye opening read on the top end of modern Chinese Horology.
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Thanks for sharing this.

I recently bought a new watch with my first Chinese movement, a PT5000 and I’ve been very impressed by both the size, which makes for a slimmer watch, and the accuracy.
 
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I've been following Atelier Wen (as mentioned in the second article) for a while now: https://www.instagram.com/atelierwenwatches/

A good friend of mine lives in Shenzhen and works in product design/manufacturing. I'm definitely optimistic for the future of Chinese watchmaking. Some of their manufacturing capabilities and talent are hard to match. There's the logistics and supply chains to back it all up too.
 
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We all tend to look down on Chinese made things, but there are both good and bad reasons for this, The Chinese are perfectly capable of doing quality work, but no one is prepared to pay for it, Western retailers and wholesalers look to China for price not quality most of them are happy to charge top price for stuff they only paid a pittance for, in order to maximise profits.
This situation becomes self perpetuating. And spans across all fields of manufacturing.

I can have flow on consequences, Here in Oz retailing has very concentrated ownership, and these retailers refuse to buy any quality as they can buy rubbish that they screwed down hard on price in order to resell the shoddy item at a high price, as with little or no competition we the consumer is left with no alternative.

This is true of the automotive replacement parts sector the are many different branded retail outlets that are controlled by only 2 major companies these 2 majors have rubbish made pattern parts made for them in China under private label brands. And won't stock anything better, so if you made any of this stuff you now have no market. All the small independent parts retailing groups have been bought up by the big 2 in recent years.

My old locally made Ford Falcon Ute's ball joints were worn so I replaced them with what I could get, as OEM ball joints are NLA, I had to use Chinese made private label stuff from the major retail groups, bloody things didn't last 6 months. The OEM ball joints lasted over 20 yrs!
Extremely pissed by this I started to search the world for alternatives that might be of some quality and found some NOS TRW brand ball joints hiding in an independent retailer in New Zealand, I bought several sets, to squirrel away for the future, even with the shipping cost they were cheaper than the rubbish I could get locally. The trouble is that companies like TRW cant get the market access for parts such as these anymore as the retail groups are only interested in maximising their profits through buying market share by buying out their competitors in order abuse their market power. Sadly this seems to be a common problem across all retail sectors, supermarkets, liquor, hardware, sporting goods, camping gear, appliences etc.
The dickhead politicians of both sides refuse to do anything about it, and as such I can only assume they must have a vested interest in ignoring and perpetuating the problem.

The sad thing is we, the consumers, get it in the neck as do the manufacturers that are trying to make reasonable quality products and other manufacturers that are in countries were such rubbish is made also suffer the shared bad reputation.... all so some already rich arseholes can make excessive profits!
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We all tend to look down on Chinese made things, but there are both good and bad reasons for this, The Chinese are perfectly capable of doing quality work, but no one is prepared to pay for it, Western retailers and wholesalers look to China for price not quality most of them are happy to charge top price for stuff they only paid a pittance for, in order to maximise profits.
This situation becomes self perpetuating. And spans across all fields of manufacturing.

I can have flow on consequences, Here in Oz retailing has very concentrated ownership, and these retailers refuse to buy any quality as they can buy rubbish that they screwed down hard on price in order to resell the shoddy item at a high price, as with little or no competition we the consumer is left with no alternative.

This is true of the automotive replacement parts sector the are many different branded retail outlets that are controlled by only 2 major companies these 2 majors have rubbish made pattern parts made for them in China under private label brands. And won't stock anything better, so if you made any of this stuff you now have no market. All the small independent parts retailing groups have been bought up by the big 2 in recent years.

My old locally made Ford Falcon Ute's ball joints were worn so I replaced them with what I could get, as OEM ball joints are NLA, I had to use Chinese made private label stuff from the major retail groups, bloody things didn't last 6 months. The OEM ball joints lasted over 20 yrs!
Extremely pissed by this I started to search the world for alternatives that might be of some quality and found some NOS TRW brand ball joints hiding in an independent retailer in New Zealand, I bought several sets, to squirrel away for the future, even with the shipping cost they were cheaper than the rubbish I could get locally. The trouble is that companies like TRW cant get the market access for parts such as these anymore as the retail groups are only interested in maximising their profits through buying market share by buying out their competitors in order abuse their market power. Sadly this seems to be a common problem across all retail sectors, supermarkets, liquor, hardware, sporting goods, camping gear, appliences etc.
The dickhead politicians of both sides refuse to do anything about it, and as such I can only assume they must have a vested interest in ignoring and perpetuating the problem.

The sad thing is we, the consumers, get it in the neck as do the manufacturers that are trying to make reasonable quality products and other manufacturers that are in countries were such rubbish is made also suffer the shared bad reputation.... all so some already rich arseholes can make excessive profits!
Sadly all true, mostly the bad guys are in the country you live in, not China.

Another industry where this is all too evident is the clothing industry where your corner shop clothing retailer will sell you a cheap 5 or 10 dollar Tee shirt though these days it might be 30 or 40 dollars as the competition is well controlled. However that Tee shirt is thin and poor quality.

On the other hand if you go to China and shop locally there you will be hard pressed to find a Tee Shirt of that low quality as no one would buy it!
Mostly the retailed product is very high quality, the only looser here is the western consumers with supply chain owners getting rich at our expense.
 
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I remember when Japanese cars started to be sold in Norway. It was "Jap-crap" this and "Rice boiler" that, and some moore racialy inspired slurs. Fast forward to today and Japanese buildt, means quality. And some are making the same mistake again of under estimating Chinese manufacturing.They talk about "chinese steel" when something breaks, not knowing that China makes about 50% of the world supply and they just bought the cheapest steel that the importer got the most revenue from. And the answer from the leader of the west are trade wars. Even if it was them who moved manufacturing to the east in the first place. China have educated engineers, when the west have educated sales and marketing people and the result is a trade war with the worlds workshop.
 
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Absolutely @hen , I remember my dad buying an early Toyota estate car in the seventies. Apart from everything either automatic or electric, we were hugely impressed that the tailgate also had an electric window
 
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As some of you may know I have had a close connection and interest to Chinese manufacturers since the early 1990's before China opened its doors on the industrial scale that occured in the last 20 years.
With due diligence and patience I have always had good experiences with selected manufacturers but of course this is not truly representative of the the total market supply and many will have had terrible experiences as have I in the chinese retail supply chain.

I was pleased to see this 3 part series of articles recently on a link I found from the OF https://revolutionwatch.com/in-depth-chinese-independent-watchmaking-history/

And also this one from the same website https://revolutionwatch.com/china-movement-manufacturers/

They all make for a great eye opening read on the top end of modern Chinese Horology.
Have you picked any up? I may be in China next month. I thing we are landing in guandou and working are way to hefei. I’d like to find at least one interesting watch on the trip. Gotta check the spelling of our first city though, my wife (boss) created the itinerary
 
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I find it funny how much owners freak out about Chinese parts on some German car forums, yet even on 911s, the rear crash structure of a 991 GT2RS is all made in China, as are parts on new cars going back to the 996 as Porsche has an entire engineering facility in Shanghai dedicated to testing local suppliers to ensure they meet their standards.

Even on older aircooled cars, some parts that were no longer available like fuel pumps have been put back into production in China, as there’s no viable way for low volume niche parts to be produced economically in Germany like that.

I’ve seen blokes have full on tantrums on rennlist thinking they were being scammed by the dealership because their parts have that “made in China” text, convinced they were being sold a counterfeit, when the parts meet and exceed all of the company’s standards.