Vintage Omegas: What is a jumbo model?

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I have been interested in “jumbo” Omegas for a while, but now that I have acquired a few described as such, I’m not sure I’ve yet really handled a jumbo model.

When I got my hands on a 166.011, I didn’t immediately notice a size difference between it and similar contemporaneous models like the 166.010/168.024, of which I am an aficionado. However, 36.0mm does feel substantial on the wrist. (I bought this caliper* specifically to convince myself that the 166.011 was indeed larger.)

* These calipers? This pair of calipers? I’m a professional grammarian; I’m supposed to know this stuff.

Maybe the case shrunk overnight, but now I’m getting 35.9mm.

Here it is side by side with an early-1970s 160.0001.

The 168.0001 has been called a jumbo as well, but I’m having a hard time seeing the case for categorizing it as such. Mine has precisely the same case diameter as my 166.010, which I’ve never thought of or seen described as a jumbo model.


L-R: 168.0001, 166.010, 168.024. The rightmost watch is sitting slightly closer to the camera but has the same case as the middle watch.



I was ready to claim that all three of the watches in the second shot have the same case, but in fact the 168.0001 has a more voluptuous curve to the top of its lugs, while the 166.010/168.024 is sleeker. I thought I had taken photos of the comparative measurements before dropping off the 166.010 for service, but no. However, endlinks do seem to fit the two different cases differently.


The top photo is the 166.010 and the bottom the 168.0001. These endlinks are not identical, so I need to do more research when I have both watches in hand, but I’m pretty sure the 168.0001 has a thicker case.

Anyway, I’m sure it’s been discussed before, but I’m procrastinating and seeking attention, so what makes an Omega watch a jumbo model? Was the 166.010 case seen as a significant step up in size from earlier 33-34mm sized watches? Did the bigger 36-38mm cases, whether Omega or from other makers, first emerge in the Asian market as it seems, and does anyone know of any marketing material that drew attention to these larger models?
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Some people will say that jumbo means >37mm, but I think that "jumbo" is relative to the model. Since 30mm movements were used in cases up to 39mm in diameter IIRC, a 36mm ref 2639 is probably not jumbo, while a 37.5mm 2505 is jumbo. On the other hand a 36mm Constellation would be jumbo to most people. Confused yet?
 
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Some people will say that jumbo means >37mm, but I think that "jumbo" is relative to the model. Since 30mm movements were used in cases up to 39mm in diameter IIRC, a 36mm ref 2639 is probably not jumbo, while a 37.5mm 2505 is jumbo. On the other hand a 36mm Constellation would be jumbo to most people. Confused yet?
In fairness I have been confused for some time, but this seems like a valid way of looking at it.
 
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This one is 38 mm. I call,it a jumbo. Manual wind, rose gold filled.
 
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At 35.7mm. would my 2367 circa. 1947 be considered a “jumbo” ?

No, but highly desirable nevertheless! 👍
 
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I just checked my copy of the DDH (Dubious Dealers Handbook), and it states that "anything over 35mm can be called a Jumbo". It also states that any vintage watch with a black dial can be called a "military" watch, and that any watch which appears to be unique in some fundamental way can be referred to as a "prototype". 😁
 
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An 168.001 is definitely a „Jumbo“ - but that’s because it’s a 37mm Constellation and thus the largest Constellation produced up to the 60s. Style-wise they’re similar to 14393s/14381s, but a whopping 2.5mm larger.

To me, as stated above, the term should refer to a certain reference/style/model. The classic beefy lug Seamasters are available in 34.5mm and ~36mm, so imo it’s legit to call the larger ones jumbos. I don’t really see why a 166.010/168.024 should carry that name, though, as there are no smaller equivalents. Same goes for Constellations like the 168.004/168.010. Yes, at ~35mm they’re 0.5-1mm larger than the 50s Connies or the 60s dogleg and lyre lug references, but they do have a very distinct look and again, there’s no smaller equivalent.
 
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The classic beefy lug Seamasters are available in 34.5mm and ~36mm, so imo it’s legit to call the larger ones jumbos

That's a slippery slope, though, as any Mido from the classic era >34mm would then be a "Jumbo"!

To my admittedly pedantic mind, 37mm should be the minimum across all brands.
 
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At 35.7mm. would my 2367 circa. 1947 be considered a “jumbo” ?

I'd say right on the border.
 
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In my opinion and vintage watch over 37mm it's "jumbo". Of course I do not know exactly which one will be considered "vintage"..😀
 
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That's a slippery slope, though, as any Mido from the classic era >34mm would then be a "Jumbo"!

To my admittedly pedantic mind, 37mm should be the minimum across all brands.

I can’t comment on the Midos, unfortunately, as I know nothing about their portfolio from back then, but regarding the beefy lug SMs I’d say calling the 36mm ones the “jumbo” version (2657, for instance, as opposed to a 2576) of the regular sized examples is the standard, not only among dealers but here, too. Not saying you should change your perspective there, don’t get me wrong - just stating what I believe to be the most common handling of term.
 
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I generally think "Jumbo" is at least 36.5mm while "Oversize" is anything over 38mm in diameter. But again I don't believe anyone has set a rule.
 
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The idea that “jumbo” indicates a larger version of another model has a satisfying logic to it.
The classic beefy lug Seamasters are available in 34.5mm and ~36mm, so imo it’s legit to call the larger ones jumbos. I don’t really see why a 166.010/168.024 should carry that name, though, as there are no smaller equivalents.
So that would make the 166.011 a jumbo because it’s otherwise styled like this 2759?


My caliper(s) technique needs a lot of work.

In other news, I had not previously appreciated how well the older watch goes with a BOR bracelet.
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I'll agree with what Dan S said - it's all relative. Perhaps rarity plays a role too - if a watch is produced in 38mm but a rare example exists in 34mm, we don't call that smaller model a 'mini', and it won't be as desirable even if it's rare. It seems like larger variants are by default less common and more desirable than their smaller counterparts.
 
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Same goes for Constellations like the 168.004/168.010. Yes, at ~35mm they’re 0.5-1mm larger than the 50s Connies or the 60s dogleg and lyre lug references, but they do have a very distinct look and again, there’s no smaller equivalent.

I sooooo wish that this message would reach the wider market.

I’ve no idea where the idea came from - they do ‘wear larger’ due to the case styling - but fond as I am of these references they are definitely not jumbo watches.
 
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So that would make the 166.011 a jumbo because it’s otherwise styled like this 2759?

I’d say rather of a 2849 maybe, as that’s also an automatic with date complication. 2849s were right at the end of the 4-digit-ref-era and 166.011s at the beginning of the 6-digits. The obvious visual relation is there, though - not sure if I’d call the one a “jumbo version” of the other but generally, saying it’s a late jumbo beefy lug SM sounds ok to me. In the end, it’s 100% subjective anyway and I’d be surprised if 10 years from now this isn’t a discussion anymore. 😀