Vintage Omega Chronometre - 1940 , Questions

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"uses a manual wind chronometer movement , cal. R17,8 and not a 30T2. But it shows that the subsecond dial with the arched “chronometre” script existed, and it was in a screw back case- with ref 2144 however and straight lugs." This i got from the site...i guess this should give light to your mysterious watch...
 
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Laurel , this is a watch the Omega Museum may be interested in purchasing. You may wish to contact them in Bienne Switzerland.
 
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I also checked https://squeletteblog.wordpress.com...hronometers-30mm-30t2rg-and-30t2scrg-english/
But after some closer inspection the movement in laurels watch is more likely to be R13.5SC than R17.8 SC.

Here is a R13.5 (with sub second) http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_R13_5SC

And here is R17.8 (also with sub second) http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_R17_8SC

If you compare it to picture of the movement laurel posted it looks like R13.5.
Just compare bridge positions on those two different movement types. It is different.
 
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I like how it became both a prototype AND a military watch 😁
How many more to fill out the entire bingo sheet?

Lovely watch, by the way - good luck with your research!
 
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I also checked https://squeletteblog.wordpress.com...hronometers-30mm-30t2rg-and-30t2scrg-english/
But after some closer inspection the movement in laurels watch is more likely to be R13.5SC than R17.8 SC.

Here is a R13.5 (with sub second) http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_R13_5SC

And here is R17.8 (also with sub second) http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_R17_8SC

If you compare it to picture of the movement laurel posted it looks like R13.5.
Just compare bridge positions on those two different movement types. It is different.
only thing is this one has 18 jewels
 
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I like how it became both a prototype AND a military watch 😁
How many more to fill out the entire bingo sheet?

Lovely watch, by the way - good luck with your research!
Like building puzzles this lark
 
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In order to end all the wild speculations and uneducated guesses of several noobs and also few of the more advanced members here -
I am back with my final verdict:

Firstly I must confess that I was a bit mislead by the shape of the case and the design of the screw back and also by the lack of information about the diameter and lack of movement picture.

So my first thought, which I had expressed in this thread, was a center second version of the Ref. 2144 - it was the most rational solution I could find.

I was also in error through the lack of some important info.

Here we go:

1) This is definitely a woman´s watch as we now know the size.
2) the movement is a Cal. R 13,5 SC with 18J, later name was changed to Cal. 250

This movement derived from the R 13,5 (later 240) which had sub seconds.

The center second version was introduced in 1939
It was built either with 16, 17 or 18 jewels

Later it was developed to be amagnetic (Cal. 251) and a shock absorber added (Cal. 252)

The total production of this very successful caliber family was 1,3 million movements.

The R 13,5 SC (later 250) was particularly successful even in achieving chronometer quality ratings which was expressed in a letter of the "Official Bureau Of Control" in Bienne of June 3rd 1941.
A movement Cal. R 13,5 SC achieved chronometer testing results easily although it was not designed as a chronometer - it was a simple movement of the mill run... Very remarkable result for a tiny women´s watch movement!

Obviously this remarkable result led Omega to issue a model marketed as chronometer.
This was not only expressed through the arched Chronometre printing above the Omega logo but also the movement finish was a special execution - including polished ratched wheel and crown wheel and also the click - features we all know from the later 30mm Rg movements.
Only the regulator is of the simple style and not specially executed.

The number "30" inside the case back is neither a serial# nor a reference# - it is an "internal" production number of the case manufacturer to find together the matching parts for final assembling after they had been finished.

The serial number of the case is found outside the case back hand engraved as it was common with these early Omega models.

This is all I can say for now. The reference number has to be unveiled later if ever.

enjoy guys!

best

Erich
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In order to end all the wild speculations and uneducated guesses of several noobs and also few of the more advanced members here -
I am back with my final verdict:

Firstly I must confess that I was a bit mislead by the shape of the case and the design of the screw back and also by the lack of information about the diameter and lack of movement picture.

So my first thought, which I had expressed in this thread, was a center second version of the Ref. 2144 - it was the most rational solution I could find.

I was also in error through the lack of some important info.

Here we go:

1) This is definitely a woman´s watch as we now know the size.
2) the movement is a Cal. R 13,5 SC with 18J later name was changed to Cal. 250

This movement derived from the R 13,5 (later 240) which had sub seconds.

The center second version was introduced in 1939
It was built either with 16, 17 or 18 jewels

Later it was developed to be amagnetic (Cal. 251) and a shock absorber added (Cal. 252)

The total production of this very successful caliber family was 1,3 million movements.

The R 13,5 SC (later 250) was particularly successful even in achieving chronmeter quality ratings which was expressed in a letter of the "Official Bureau Of Control" in Bienne of June 3rd 1941.
A movement Cal. R 13,5 SC achieved chronometer testing results easily although it was not designed as a chronometer - it was a simple movement of the mill run... Very remarkable result for a tiny women´s watch movement!

Obviously this remarkable result led Omega to issue a model marketed as chronometer.
This was not only expressed through the arched Chronometre printing above the Omega logo but also the movement finish was a special execution - including polished ratched wheel and crown wheel and also the click - features we all know from the later 30mm Rg movements.
Only the regulator is of the simple style and not specially executed.

The number "30" inside the case back is neither a serial# nor a reference# - it is an "internal" production number of the case manufacturer to find together the matching parts for final assembling after they had been finished.

The serial number of the case is found outside the case back hand engraved as it was common with these early Omega models.

This is all I can say for now. The reference number has to be unveiled later if ever.

enjoy guys!

best

Erich

Erich is the master. ..
 
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Pshew, that was quite a jopurney, thank you so much for the information. How would I go about getting this watch valued accurately. Thank you again
 
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Great work Erich, look forward to any future updates.
 
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I missed the size. I want to believe that it is a man's watch. It's a man's bracelet. Weren't women's watches from that era more....feminine?
 
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In order to end all the wild speculations and uneducated guesses of several noobs and also few of the more advanced members here -
I am back with my final verdict:

Firstly I must confess that I was a bit mislead by the shape of the case and the design of the screw back and also by the lack of information about the diameter and lack of movement picture.

So my first thought, which I had expressed in this thread, was a center second version of the Ref. 2144 - it was the most rational solution I could find.

I was also in error through the lack of some important info.

Here we go:

1) This is definitely a woman´s watch as we now know the size.
2) the movement is a Cal. R 13,5 SC with 18J, later name was changed to Cal. 250

This movement derived from the R 13,5 (later 240) which had sub seconds.

The center second version was introduced in 1939
It was built either with 16, 17 or 18 jewels

Later it was developed to be amagnetic (Cal. 251) and a shock absorber added (Cal. 252)

The total production of this very successful caliber family was 1,3 million movements.

The R 13,5 SC (later 250) was particularly successful even in achieving chronometer quality ratings which was expressed in a letter of the "Official Bureau Of Control" in Bienne of June 3rd 1941.
A movement Cal. R 13,5 SC achieved chronometer testing results easily although it was not designed as a chronometer - it was a simple movement of the mill run... Very remarkable result for a tiny women´s watch movement!

Obviously this remarkable result led Omega to issue a model marketed as chronometer.
This was not only expressed through the arched Chronometre printing above the Omega logo but also the movement finish was a special execution - including polished ratched wheel and crown wheel and also the click - features we all know from the later 30mm Rg movements.
Only the regulator is of the simple style and not specially executed.

The number "30" inside the case back is neither a serial# nor a reference# - it is an "internal" production number of the case manufacturer to find together the matching parts for final assembling after they had been finished.

The serial number of the case is found outside the case back hand engraved as it was common with these early Omega models.

This is all I can say for now. The reference number has to be unveiled later if ever.

enjoy guys!

best

Erich

Erich, you're a master.
I saw this post quite late, but I would also have bet on a 2144 at first glance. Then I saw the 13.5. I didn't know it had been produced in chronometer version.

I didn't find a chronometer 13.5SC, but I think this one looks quite close (it is a waterproof so compatible with the back) from a 1943 catalog :



Or the same here in n°2 also a waterproof (1940 catalog) :


The CK2177 is probably the ref for this case on non chronometer, maybe there was a specific ref for the chrono version, I don't know.
 
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Sorry, a lot of mistakes here. the wristwatch is a rare early chronometre Omega, quite valuable.
Please read my article on Chronometre Omegas (part2):

https://squeletteblog.wordpress.com/author/squeletteblog/

This has already been done, see earlier posts.

It would have been very difficult to identify without the help of your great website Franco. 👍
 
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Sorry - didn't read the whole thread , particularly Eric's illuminating post
Best wishes
Franco
 
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Just found this blog.
For interest I have an actual CK2144 watch, sub-seconds, R17.8 movement interestingly with the letter 'M' stamped on the barrel bridge, "chronometre" on the dial and confirmed via the archive extract that it was issued with a Bulletin de Marche, sold to the RAF in April 1942, it has a waterproof screwback case, and above the serial number engraved on the case back are the letters AM (Air Ministry).
Movement no. 9339968. Case no. 10105156. Inside case back 1089. Number 3 stamped on one strap lug. Back of dial Lemrich 625.
Hope this helps.
Bill.