Vintage Military Omega(s)

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JwRosenthal

·Jul 29, 2019

Welcome to the forum and I'm sorry it is such an anti-climatic entry into vintage Omega, but many of us have paid the "newb tax", and we learn from it.

I have been reading this thread and had to jump in, I can't emplore you enough to try to return these as misrepresented items. They are fraudulent pieces and you would be throwing good money after bad trying to make them something they are not. Either wear them as they are and enjoy them as a novelty, or cut bait and sell them on Ebay as redialed watches. They will still have some value as functional watches and some people won't care that they are redialed and will find them attractive. As long as you are very honest about it, you won't have anything to worry about.
Search the classified section here, the military Omegas' come up periodically and they are very honest pieces from reputable sellers.

 

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JwRosenthal

·Jul 29, 2019

Here's a nice one

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-raf-6b-159.97553/#post-1268751

 

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Syrte

·Jul 29, 2019

I find this discussion very strange and fishy.
Military watch experts on the Military Watch Ressource Forum said the exact same thing we’ve been saying here.
Those fake watches cannot be redeemed, but the good news is that they can be returned.

I have to wonder whether there’s more than meets the eye and whether @Puch_sgs is in good faith or in fact a professional seller trying to unload those watches.
Sorry @Puch_sgs but two forums have given you sound advice which you are ignoring inexplicably.

I’m not sure what else we should add.

Last time I saw a thread like this (on MWR), the OP claimed to be happy with his purchase nonetheless. However 6 months later he tried to sell the same watch making fanciful claims about them.

 

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Puch_sgs

·Jul 29, 2019

Syrte

I find this discussion very strange and fishy.
Military watch experts on the Military Watch Ressource Forum said the exact same thing we’ve been saying here.
Those fake watches cannot be redeemed, but the good news is that they can be returned.

I have to wonder whether there’s more than meets the eye and whether @Puch_sgs is in good faith or in fact a professional seller trying to unload those watches.
Sorry @Puch_sgs but two forums have given you sound advice which you are ignoring inexplicably.

I’m not sure what else we should add.

Last time I saw a thread like this (on MWR), the OP claimed to be happy with his purchase nonetheless. However 6 months later he tried to sell the same watch making fanciful claims about them.

I am definitely not a pro. Would be very unlikely that I bought them in the first place. I did however not yet pick them up, as their expert is on holiday and I want to talk to him personally and hear him out - maybe there is still a way out.
If not however, selling on eBay is not really an option as I do not want to deal with watches.
Yes the guys in the mwr forum said pretty much the same, but why is this an issue?
Economically it doesn't make sense to invest, but I also do not want to just throw them away. That's why I would like to know which dials would fit, to at least get from catastrophic dial to an acceptable compromise.

Let's see how the thing with the auction house turns - I will let you know!

 

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Syrte

·Jul 29, 2019

You said on MWR you paid 1600 euros for watches that expert collectors say are not even worth 160 euros.

That is sad but the good news is you could get a full refund as you are entitled. But for that you need to write an email, immediately.
However— it’s your money and your choice.

For the record, and should pictures of those watches end up aging out of this thread — here’s a direct upload to ensure they remain visible for future reference.

Edited: Jul 29, 2019

 

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watchyouwant

·Jul 29, 2019

Again........ return both. it is an endless task to find good original dials and hands for a good price. you will find better watches over the years. and : please start your own research. we can advise you. point you in the right direction. but we can not fix your mistakes. start ebay searches. join MWR fora and ask them. they have parts stashed away. get in contact with british military watchdealers. use google for that. parts are there. YOU have to find them. if i were you, return both and educate yourself bevor the next purchase. these a excellent watches; just buy the correct ones. good luck

 

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Puch_sgs

·Aug 8, 2019

Hi guys!

Last update - I was able to return the watches as their expert was very understanding. Due to holiday season the description of the items was made by someone else and not by him. In general they were very kind and professional and they assured me, that usually the descriptions are of higher quality.

So this was it then - thanks for those who helped!

 

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Mark020

·Aug 8, 2019·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

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Due to holiday season the description of the items was made by someone else and not by him.

Yeah right 😁

 

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Syrte

·Aug 8, 2019

Congrats on this very good outcome.👍
With 1600 euros you can get one or several very nice watches - including military issued ones.

There’s a lot of valuable material here- starting with the great tutorial « sticky » thread called « Learn how to fish » written by @ConElPueblo.

Many military issued watches are posted here in a dedicated thread and described at length here and on the Military Watch Ressource Forum.

IMO there are only a couple correct Omega issued watch models you could find for 1600 euros— mostly white dialed, but the good news is, there are many other good brands, and many beautiful civilian watches available under 500 euros.

Best wishes on your ventures— and remember, as already said- you need to do the research and seek advice before you pull the trigger.

Edited: Aug 8, 2019

 

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VetPsychWars

·Aug 8, 2019

Let me just point out that a dial with a British “broad arrow” (not an arrow but three stacked rifles) will not be marked US Army.

Tom

 

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Syrte

·Aug 9, 2019

Here’s a pretty nice Omega military watch for sale if you want one. It’s a Royal Air Force watch and it’s real. And much cheaper than the lemons you were buying.
https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?86920-F-S-OMEGA-1956-WHITE-DIAL-6B-159

 

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Puch_sgs

·Aug 11, 2019

Syrte

Here’s a pretty nice Omega military watch for sale if you want one. It’s a Royal Air Force watch and it’s real. And much cheaper than the lemons you were buying.
https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?86920-F-S-OMEGA-1956-WHITE-DIAL-6B-159

Thanks!

 

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JimInOz

·Aug 11, 2019·Melbourne Australia

VetPsychWars

Let me just point out that a dial with a British “broad arrow” (not an arrow but three stacked rifles) will not be marked US Army.

Tom

The broad arrow, or pheon, was derived from a heraldic symbol and was used in Britain many years before rifles were invented, it is not derived from stacked rifles.

The three stacked rifles was the emblem of BSA motorcycles, which was part of the Birmingham Small Arms company who were small arms makers providing weapons to the British Government and many other countries in the 19th century. They later started making bicycles and then graduated to motorcycles around the beginning of the 20th century.

Edit: And I concur with your note re the BA and US Army, nothing but a fanciful compilation.

Edited: Aug 12, 2019

 

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VetPsychWars

·Aug 12, 2019

Another legend corrected, thanks!

Tom

 

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Tigeranteater

·Aug 12, 2019

You may not want to limit yourself to Omega. Here is an Enicar British ATP in excellent shape keeping time to within +5 per day. If you don’t mind a little radiation, these are great historical timepieces and much more affordable than a “dirty dozen”.