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Vintage IWC on Kleinanzeigen - any "errors"?

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Hello members,

I am considering to buy this IWC Ref. 820 online. I can't see any obvious errors. The dial looks a bit too good to be true, but I can't see any of the typical signs of it being a redial. Maybe a factory service exange?? All the other 820s on the internet have pristine dials, too. It seems to be a rare IWC, generally speaking. I would love to have your opinion!

Here's the link to the listing:

https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/iwc-820ad-date-vintage-aus-1971/2617115334-157-7969

Yours,

vintage'97
 
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The dial appears to be genuine, but as you say, perhaps a replacement given its condition relative to the case.

My concern would be the lack of photos of the inner case back and movement, and given the case condition, I would not pay that kind of money even if everything looked good inside.
 
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The dial appears to be genuine, but as you say, perhaps a replacement given its condition relative to the case.

My concern would be the lack of photos of the inner case back and movement, and given the case condition, I would not pay that kind of money even if everything looked good inside.

Thank you, Tony! I will ask for more photos including the movement. But I love the design of the watch, especially the lugs and the hands, so I am still interested 😀
 
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Did you notice the stains on the dial (edge) at 11...1 and 6? Does the 4 have some signs of corrosion? You should darken the pics....
Let s see the movement 😁

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I like this model 👍: classic, never un-modern
 
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Did you notice the stains on the dial (edge) at 11...1 and 6? Does the 4 have some signs of corrosion? You should darken the pics....
Let s see the movement 😁

1A1.jpg


I like this model 👍: classic, never un-modern

Thank you! I didn't notice the signs of corrosion at the four, but I did realise sthe stains at the edge.
 
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The 820 is a great looking reference especially in unpolished condition. They are pretty uncommon and I believe they are from the late 60’s and into the 70’s. It is 36mm with a screw back. These non-lume dials age a lot better than the ones with lume.
 
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The 820 is a great looking reference especially in unpolished condition. They are pretty uncommon and I believe they are from the late 60’s and into the 70’s. It is 36mm with a screw back. These non-lume dials age a lot better than the ones with lume.

Thank you! Seen one online from a japanese dealer that seems to be from 68 and this one seems to be from 71. So that matches.
 
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Is this a "non-Gerald Genta -IWC"? 😕

That is interesting! If you know more, please tell me more. Maybe I'll ask this queestion as a new topic as I really would like to know:

The current IWC catalogue celebrates the Ref 1832 as Genta's IWC. No mention of him designing other IWCs, but this might be marketing: The new Ingenieur shouldn't be one among many.

However, I've heard rumers about him designing the Yacht Club Ref. 811, the Yacht Club II Ref. 3211, the Golf Club Ref. 1830, the Polo Club Ref. 1831 and the original Quartz Da Vinci Ref. 3074.

Do you know more?
 
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Is this a "non-Gerald Genta -IWC"? 😕
Why do you mention Gerald Genta here under thsi watch? Do you think he has something to do with the design?
 
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Genta designed the first (?) Ingenieur, --- and this 820 is quite similar... just a thought, a question. Nothing more 😉
 
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Genta designed the Ingenieur, --- and this 820 is quite similar... just a thought, a question. Nothing more 😉


Okay. You mean the Ref. 666 Ingenieur?
 
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Okay. You mean the Ref. 666 Ingenieur?

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exactly

That is not correct. Genta designed the Ingenieur SL line (e.g. ref. 1832), not the original 666, nor the 866 that followed.
 
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That is not correct. Genta designed the Ingenieur SL line (e.g. ref. 1832), not the original 666, nor the 866 that followed.
The whole SL Line? Including Polo Club, Golf Club, Da Vinci SL?
 
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The whole SL Line? Including Polo Club, Golf Club, Da Vinci SL?

EDIT: No. From the IWC site:

Two other notable watches in the SL line were the Golf Club and Polo Club, neither of which were designed by Genta.

This is interesting, as one could easily imagine his influence in those designs.
Edited:
 
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That is not correct. Genta designed the Ingenieur SL line (e.g. ref. 1832), not the original 666, nor the 866 that followed.
That is new to me but makes sense. He is born in ´31.... at that time much too young to make propositions for IWC s first Inge. But I found at www, he was in charge for the Polerouter 😕
 
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But I found at www, he was in charge for the Polerouter

Apparently he was involved in the original design:

https://wornandwound.com/a-brief-history-of-the-universal-geneve-polerouter/

but that doesn't mean that he was necessarily responsible for all of them. Like the IWC connection, it probably served the company's purposes not to publicly emphasize that Genta was not responsible for specific designs, as his name added cache value.
 
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Two other notable watches in the SL line were the Golf Club and Polo Club, neither of which were designed by Genta.
Great piece of information, thank you. Good to have facts!
 
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