US1171 President Bracelet Thread

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I’ve been waiting over three weeks (based in NL as well) but that’s not Uncle Seiko’s fault of course. The package has seen half the US, leaving the country only 3days ago.

I’m more worried about the reports of the bracelet scratching the watch, that I’ve seen popping up here and there...
 
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I’ve been waiting over three weeks (based in NL as well) but that’s not Uncle Seiko’s fault of course. The package has seen half the US, leaving the country only 3days ago.

I’m more worried about the reports of the bracelet scratching the watch, that I’ve seen popping up here and there...
I’m not a bracelet designer nor do I play one on TV, but historically all hollow endlinks need a little tweaking depending on the watch. Considering Omega keeps moving the holes in the Speedy lugs, they may not all be a plug& play. They should sit flush to the case but if they are contacting the case then you may need to do a little bending or sanding of the enlinks to get them perfect- that was what they did at the dealer years ago when you got the watch on a strap and bracelet separately (as they pretty much all came back then).
 
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Mine arrives tomorrow! Now, decision is, Moonwatch or SM300 165.024?
You may try both and see how it looks on your wist then make decision.
 
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I’m not a bracelet designer nor do I play one on TV, but historically all hollow endlinks need a little tweaking depending on the watch. Considering Omega keeps moving the holes in the Speedy lugs, they may not all be a plug& play. They should sit flush to the case but if they are contacting the case then you may need to do a little bending or sanding of the enlinks to get them perfect- that was what they did at the dealer years ago when you got the watch on a strap and bracelet separately (as they pretty much all came back then).

What is the difference between "sitting flush" and contacting the case? Not a native speaker, sorry. I have many bracelets with folded endlinks on other watches, and I always assumed them contacting the case makes them sit in place. Is that wrong?
 
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I have received my 1171 today. Generally good quality.

One suggestion for @Uncle Seiko, the under side of the end link is truly, and unnecessarily sharp. The edge touching the lug is like razor blade sharp, I can cut myself easily with that. It is incredibly easy to leave a mark in the lug with that level of sharpness, I don't even want to imagine what long term use would do to it. I have protective tapes sticking to the lug to prevent it but it won't last against these sharp edges. It makes me hesitant on using these bracelet for long term.

Would highly recommend you have the factory machine it or sand it to smooth it out a bit before putting on the market.
 
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What is the difference between "sitting flush" and contacting the case? Not a native speaker, sorry. I have many bracelets with folded endlinks on other watches, and I always assumed them contacting the case makes them sit in place. Is that wrong?

Historically, some companies made a single bracelet and endlink set that worked on several references with similar case shapes. The tolerances were fairly loose so they would be fitted at the retailer by bending the top plate slightly (using flat nosed pliers wrapped in electrical tape to avoid scratching the finish), opening up the guide rings inside with a pick or needle nose pliers to give a little more slack where the pin goes through or tightening it up to close the gap, then the tabs on the bottom crimped up to flush-up the tabs under the case to minimize rattle. The ideal result should be endlinks that sit within a micron of the case and lugs but don’t actually rub against it....but that wasn’t always the case thus we see varying gaps on some older watches, some not- it’s just considered part of the charm. Also filing or trimming endlinks was standard practice if the match-up wasn’t perfect. Hollow endlinks are stamped then folded metal so they can easily get out of shape (sometimes you will see one side sitting higher than another on top- just needs proper fitment).

Modern bracelets are made to tighter tolerances and endlinks (most solid) specific to each model (or reference within each model). With solid endlinks you have to have the specific endlink for a given case- there is no wiggle room and if you want to put that on another watch, the pin holes must align or you will either have a gap at the case if the distance between pin holes and case are too far apart for the length of the endlink (from the case to the back where it meets the bracelet), or it will push against the case if the distance is too short. With a solid endlink, if the endlink is too long, it will not let you mount the bracelet- you will struggle to get the pin in and short of bending the pin it won’t align with the holes. But with hollow end links, it has enough flex that you can cram it in and think it “fits”, but it’s actually a touch too long and riding up against the case. Every movement you make will cause it to rub.
I believe Uncle Seiko designed these endlinks based on a specific Speedmaster model (can’t remember which one), but as I said earlier, Omega has changed the distance between lug holes and case a few times over the life of the SMP by very small amounts- so fitment will be slightly different depending on which generation.
The way to customize you endlinks to fit your case (or “marrying” it to the watch) is to tweak the endlinks with pliers (wrapped in a layer of electrical tape) on top, bottom, fore and aft. If you have to struggle to get the endlinks in because the pressure against the case it pushing it back towards the bracelet, your endlinks are just a hair too long. If bending it doesn’t work, carefully filing the edge against the case with a curved or rat-tail file can take off some of the metal-but you have to know what your doing or you can mar the finish or file unevenly.
If you lack the tools or skills to custom fit your endlinks to the case, your watchmaker can do this easily.
 
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Thanks for the extensive explanation! I guess that means that, bracelets should be held purely by the piece that touches the springbar -- the guide rings -- and the tabs that touch the underside of the lugs. I'll buy myself some grit 700 and 1000 sanding paper and go to town 😀 Thanks again!
 
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Thanks for the extensive explanation! I guess that means that, bracelets should be held purely by the piece that touches the springbar -- the guide rings -- and the tabs that touch the underside of the lugs. I'll buy myself some grit 700 and 1000 sanding paper and go to town 😀 Thanks again!
Pretty much. They should have a little wiggle side to side (not enough to pass a piece of paper through although I have a few you could get a playing card through), and you should be able to see a sliver of light through the gap between the case and endlink when you hold it up to bright light. They are gonna jingle a bit- that is the joy of hollow enlinks. If they are so crammed tight against the case that they make no noise, something is wrong and needs adjustment.
 
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Looks great.
Will this fit the new wave dial smp300 or the 2254?
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Off the top of my head I think the size is with all the links removed. I don’t think I included micro adjustment , and believe me, this thing can fit a squirrel’s wrist. Give it a shot and if it doesn’t work out we can do a return/refund.

After a couple weeks of the US1171 "shortie" sitting here waiting to be installed - I finally have it on my 40mm Speedmaster Racing 326.30.40.50.06.001. It's definitely not a problem on an ~6.3-inch wrist. I removed four links and moved the micro-adjust spring bar inwards by 3 holes. That's about 30mm of shortening and there's another four removable links and four micro-adjust holes (~32mm) available. Not quite squirrel territory but it should snugly fit an ~5-inch wrist on this watch.
 
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I just got mine today and Im digging it. I was more than a little apprehensive about putting a $90 bracelet on a brand new $4200 watch, but I really hated the stock bracelet. The oem bracelet looks and feels more luxe, no doubt, but it weighs a ton and it just wasn't comfortable at all. The Uncle Seiko definitely feels sort of jangly, but I guess that's what actual 1171s feel like too. In fact, I can't imagine the oem 1171 feels as solid as the Uncle Seiko bracelet since they have hollow center links as opposed to the US bracelet. Do you guys know if this is the case? I'm not opposed to dropping $500 for the oem and putting the US on another watch if there's difference in quality that makes it worth it.

All that said, this Uncle Seiko did make my dream watch look how I imagined it should. I'll add that the end links fit dead on in the lugs and to my eyes, it doesn't look like an aftermarket bracelet.
 
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Looks great.
Will this fit the new wave dial smp300 or the 2254?
You can make it fit a 2254 but it’s not a good fit and looks goofy.
 
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Quick question: are you guys sanding/filing down those hollow end links before installing? Preparing to mount mine and am finding some jagged edges on the endlinks. Not a big deal, and easily remedied, but wondering if any others have done this, Very happy with the the quality of the bracelet and packaging otherwise.
 
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Quick question: are you guys sanding/filing down those hollow end links before installing? Preparing to mount mine and am finding some jagged edges on the endlinks. Not a big deal, and easily remedied, but wondering if any others have done this, Very happy with the the quality of the bracelet and packaging otherwise.
I have a Holzer and a BoR, and I have done what you describe on both.
 
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I have a Holzer and a BoR, and I have done what you describe on both.

Thanks for the reply -- will proceed with confidence.