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Updated values for zenith a384/385/386/3817/3818

Stewart H
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How about this one
I bought it in italy 10 years ago
I have the box the bracelet and the paper
Do you have the original dial, tachy ring and hands as well?
 
jhross98
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indeed. . will be very interesting to see if prices hold or flash in the pan. same for the Heuer sale!
 
Mlafra
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A very nice A386 MK1 has been sold by Watchpool in the 25k EUR area (hence 29k USD) with no box no papers.
Conditions were really great and all correct.
Still, pretty strong price if you ask me.
These beauties are climbing...
 
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Mlafra Mlafra
A very nice A386 MK1 has been sold by Watchpool in the 25k EUR area (hence 29k USD) with no box no papers.
Conditions were really great and all correct.
Still, pretty strong price if you ask me.
These beauties are climbing...

agree.. they are moving in real time. something strange is going on in watch land. . .a386s. . .omega 2998s. .a lot of pieces are really moving now.
 
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wonder if the experts could chime in their opinions on this piece, i'm guessing it's a mk 3, hour and minute hands look slightly damaged around the centre post area, possibly service chrono sec hand? the rotor also looks like it's been rubbing against the caseback. possibly also a newer replacement for the tachymetre ring? considering the colour doesn't match the patina of the rest of the dial

many thanks beforehand for all your comments and feedback

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Mlafra
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I would say you were spot on in yuor analysis. I would say all original a part from maybe cetral chrono hand (that might be also original but for sure later than the rest of the watch). Tachy insert looks indeed cleaner than the rest but I would say is original, not a service one, the service ones have a different font for the word TACHYMETRE, especially the C.
My overall concerns would be the hour and minute hands, clearly damaged and possibly nearly impossibe to find and the fact that the main part of the dial is pretty patinated to a relatively dark color...which I don't particularly fancy, but I guess it could be worse.
But I would put a hefty discount on this one given conditions.
 
wristpirate
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All parts (except service crown) look correct Zenith original bits, but not necessarily original to that particular watch. The minute hand has seen better days. The tachy bezel has clearly not been with that dial from day one, this takes away from the overall beauty of the piece. Dial has patina which is one of those beauty in eyes of beholder situations.
 
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Mlafra Mlafra
I would say you were spot on in yuor analysis. I would say all original a part from maybe cetral chrono hand (that might be also original but for sure later than the rest of the watch). Tachy insert looks indeed cleaner than the rest but I would say is original, not a service one, the service ones have a different font for the word TACHYMETRE, especially the C.
My overall concerns would be the hour and minute hands, clearly damaged and possibly nearly impossibe to find and the fact that the main part of the dial is pretty patinated to a relatively dark color...which I don't particularly fancy, but I guess it could be worse.
But I would put a hefty discount on this one given conditions.
are hour and minute hands so difficult to find? thought i've been seeing some on ebay
 
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wristpirate sailor
All parts (except service crown) look correct Zenith original bits, but not necessarily original to that particular watch. The minute hand has seen better days. The tachy bezel has clearly not been with that dial from day one, this takes away from the overall beauty of the piece. Dial has patina which is one of those beauty in eyes of beholder situations.
wow sharp eyes, i was wondering if the crown was a service one, but couldn't tell without a proper side shot
 
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what are your opinions on the value of said piece @Mlafra @sailor , i think the box, papers and bracelet are a big plus, also would the rubbing of the rotor be a cause for concern in future over prolonged use?
 
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are hour and minute hands so difficult to find? thought i've been seeing some on ebay
Service hands (with Luminova) not a big deal, you can find the on Ebay right now relatively cheap.
Original ones (with Tritium) ...a whole different story...
 
Mlafra
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what are your opinions on the value of said piece @Mlafra @sailor , i think the box, papers and bracelet are a big plus, also would the rubbing of the rotor be a cause for concern in future over prolonged use?
I would say 11/12k EUR area, or thereabout, but that is me. Value is somewhat relative, me for one I would not buy it at all and wait for a better (and more expesive) example but it is all relative.
On the rubbing of the motor I wouldnt know what to answer...
 
wristpirate
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agreed with @Mlafra

Box, papers, bracelet with ZJ links add around 2-3k EUR value.

For me, this one is expensive for what it is.
 
Stewart H
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also would the rubbing of the rotor be a cause for concern in future over prolonged use?

Three things with this:
1/ The automatic winding will not function correctly.
2/ The oscillating weight will not be running true so it will cause wear on the bushes in which it runs.
3/ The rubbing will wear away the metal of both the oscillating weight and the case back.

The only place the debris can go is into the movement so who knows what other damage this could cause?
 
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