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Hi all,

I'm new to the forums, which I discovered through a search for UG Mumbai Specials. I'd like to being two obvious examples of Mumbai'd (well, Singapore'd) Polerouter Dates to your attention for commentary about features OTHER than the redial:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=351222544900&alt=web

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=351228237356&alt=web

In each case the rotor is not in tip-top condition and on the easter-egg blue one, there's a picture showing places where the rotor has clearly marked the interior of the caseback. I think I see a little grime on each where the case snaps together.

Call me a heretic, but I actually don't mind the redial or crown replacement too much. What I am curious to know is a ballpark estimate of the cost to have the watch in good working order.

Thanks in advance for your time, I've greatly enjoyed reading the posts in this forum.
 
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Waynepjr
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Your first question should be to the seller asking his reserve.... They might be stupid numbers.

Wayne
 
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Your first question should be to the seller asking his reserve.... They might be stupid numbers.

Wayne

A good point, thanks for the quick reply. I've got a message in to the seller now. One of the auctions is ending soon so I'll get a feel for what people's appetite is and whether or not it matches the seller's expectations.
 
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Ladies 😁 & Gentlemen!

Tri - Compax cal 287, ref 2253B (?), UG movement nr. 218403, ca. 38mm,

http://www.ebay.de/itm/331383473964?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

1) The last digit in the (not to sharp) bottom case pic looks like a "B" to me, but neither in this forum nor in Sala`s book I have found a letter as a reference nr. anywhere?
2) The second question, that occurs to me, concerns the missing of a serial nr. above the reference on the bottom. Possible?
3) And last but not least a general one:
Does a UG movement nr. give any useful info about age, or mvt fitting to case?

looking forward.....
Edited:
 
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MMMD
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Not sure about the case back. It looks like 22538 to me, but that reference seems to have been for an Aero-Compax. The case number may have been polished or photoshopped out.

The calibre (287) and the gilt parts of the movement might be helpful in guessing at a date range. I would refer you back to Sala, which I don't have at hand at the moment.

What I don't understand is the weird reference to Yalta. Roosevelt and his Movado were at Yalta. Truman wore a Tri-Compax several months later at Potsdam (but not this reference). I believe he received the watch from Stalin in exchange for Poland. It might have seemed a good deal at the time, but Truman soon realized he had been swindled, and, infuriated, took extreme measures to keep the Russians out of Japan. And the rest is history...

http://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-genève-tri-compax-ref-12551-truman.8103/
 
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MMMD MMMD
Not sure about the case back. It looks like 22538 to me, but that reference seems to have been for an Aero-Compax. The case number may have been polished or photoshopped out.

The calibre (287) and the gilt parts of the movement might be helpful in guessing at a date range. I would refer you back to Sala, which I don't have at hand at the moment.

What I don't understand is the weird reference to Yalta. Roosevelt and his Movado were at Yalta. Truman wore a Tri-Compax several months later at Potsdam (but not this reference). I believe he received the watch from Stalin in exchange for Poland. It might have seemed a good deal at the time, but Truman soon realized he had been swindled, and, infuriated, took extreme measures to keep the Russians out of Japan. And the rest is history...

http://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-genève-tri-compax-ref-12551-truman.8103/

Dear MMMD, thank you very much for your considerations and for your historical hints!

I understand basically UG ref-, case- and calibre numbers.
But it is still not clear to me, what a UG MOVEMENT Number tells. (in the discussed watch 218403).
Till now I have, neither in Sala nor here, found anything about. Maybe these movement numbers are simply irrelevant (unlike in other brands) and bearing no useful information?

regards Franz
 
MMMD
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Nor is it clear to me. I don't know whether anyone has yet worked out a dating system for UG based on movement numbers.
 
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FYI
The above discussed Tri-Compax cal 287 was sold for € 2.300.- (USD 2860.-)
......not to me..... 🙁
 
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MMMD MMMD
Nor is it clear to me. I don't know whether anyone has yet worked out a dating system for UG based on movement numbers.

Interesting topic. UG (or Martel) appears to have abandoned movement numbers in the 1950s, a practice which was carried over to Zenith with the purchase of Martel - before that, Zenith was quite systematic about movement numbers. I don't think anyone has bothered to work out dating by movement number as it is probably not more useful than dating by case number.
 
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At the current bid I have a feeling a 'Hodinkee' is watching this one...
 
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ELV web ELV web
Good price, but i don't like the sub hour and the date hands. They are unobtanium as some members here (woodwrk) would say 😀

Someone might just have these hands waiting on a watch to pair them to.... 😗
 
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Someone might just have these hands waiting on a watch to pair them to.... 😗

Newbie here. Any reason why the dial is so brown? Is that the original dial color? Thanks 😀
 
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I iht
Newbie here. Any reason why the dial is so brown? Is that the original dial color? Thanks 😀
patina ... or good old ageing. a bit like wrinkles.
 
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patina ... or good old ageing. a bit like wrinkles.

Thanks 😀 I assume this can be desirable to some? Personally I find the color a bit too dark.
 
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It's a champagne or copper dial. There's patina, but not like y'all are thinking.
 
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