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bgrisso
·I would assume a UG case has UG stamping
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jumpingsecond
·Nice looking watch. Agree with @bgrisso. Where did they find a Compur dial large enough to seamlessly fit such a large case at 40mm. You think it is a pocket watch dial transfer?
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Diabolik
·I have seen lugs like that before. Sala's UG book has early Compax references (one is the 22309) with similar lugs. However, without any supporting documentation and history, it is impossible to verify the sellers claim. The dial looks genuine, i have three early references with identical font and size. It does not raise any eyebrows. There are examples of larger dials (up to 55 mm) on that calibre. However, if it was a very early prototype (i generally keep well away from prototypes, omage and experimental) i would expect to see its precursor, the 385.
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vujen
·Of course is a Franken watch for sale by a very ignorant and optimistic seller.
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martinc
·Interesting discussion with a C24 seller regarding this watch: https://www.chrono24.nl/universalge...mpur-prototype-40-mm-oversize--id27803182.htm
He insists that this is a protype case. Case is unmarked which makes it (IMHO) very unlikely that it is a UG case.
My thesis is that it is a movement of which the gold case was melt and a generic case was added later.
The movement is numbered and - picture is not very clear - it seems to be either 167k or 187k. In 187k I don't have any 287's which had a gold case. In 167K I have have 3. 2 ref 12512 and 1 ref 12539. All with 811k serials.
Curious to hear what the others think.
I have no experience with gold cases watches and would be very careful with the word “prototype”, but here are my observations regarding this watch:
- given the movement number it’s definitely not an “early” UG (certainly not 1935);
- dial looks fine;
- I would assume the case size is not 40mm, given there is a normal cal 287 and no spacing ring etc. A “normal” UG case housing cal 287 can be anything between 36 and 38 mm (or at least the dial has normal diameter);
- on the other hand there are UG references with gold cases and very similar lugs, so I would not be so certain that the case is not UG (or partially UG)… but yes, normally it should be marked , at least inside if not on the outside of the case back…
- definitely not a “prototype” (prototype of what would this be??);
- incredibly “optimistically” priced… (error in decimal point maybe? 😀)
Below are archive images of references 12465 (Compur), 124100 (a Compax), 12476 (Compax) and 12546 (Uni-Compax, so Compur too) - so gold cases and (maybe) similar lugs.
Source: https://universalgeneve.info
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerbut yes, normally it should be marked , at least inside if not on the outside of the case back…
Very rare reference: 22469 https://www.ebay.com/itm/325236647938
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mttmzz
·Looks like one of the lugs is partially detached.
(seller stating that it has been fixed after pictures were taken...)
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerVery nice early Compur https://www.chrono24.nl/universalgenve/universal-geneve-compur--id30382873.htm
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerNo clue what to make from this page. Pictures may be from another watch ;-) But anyway: wonderful watch https://www.analogshift.com/products/as03139-universal-geneve-uni-compax
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ventriculus
·My MK1 Space Compax with original Gay Frères bracelet - https://www.ebay.com/itm/155752488311
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerSome traders are really funny: https://www.wristclassics.com/product-page/universal-geneve-ref-12445-18k-chronograph-1941
'What you should know: dial in untouched condition'
'What you should know: dial in untouched condition'
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorSome traders are really funny: https://www.wristclassics.com/product-page/universal-geneve-ref-12445-18k-chronograph-1941
'What you should know: dial in untouched condition'
What I see is an older watch with a genuine dial that could possibly be a replacement. I would like to know if I am wrong.
Thanks,
gatorcpa
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerWell it is a bit like vintage Rolex lingo: what he means to say the dial is likely original UG but it is a much later replacement. The way it is written right now suggests that but does not say it
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jumpingsecond
·It looks like it could be a redial. I at least wouldn't buy it as an original or a replacement dial but having said that I also havent researched this reference. Just my gut feel.
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Diabolik
·Dial is fine. Just a very early case with a 50s dial. Looks pretty nice and although not as it came out of the factory, it is an attractive watch. The dial is a rare find! If you are out for something to wear and not too bothered about it being 100% (historically I mean) original, and if the price is right, i would say it is a nice uni compax.
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerTime only dodicione. Never seen one before (edit: getting old. Posted this one before ;-)). Ref 20722. http://cticorp.jp/?p=65515
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer
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Diabolik
·A great chrono when in good original condition. However this example is not that great. Dial shows signs of being fiddled with especially second counter and 45 min register.
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerAgreed but the basic design is very nice
