Universal Geneve triple-date moonphase at Sotheby's

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 1, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

Did anyone else notice this shockingly bad redial with an asking price of $7000 USD? Further below is a comparison with an original dial.

Source: https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/pdp...twatch-with-date-day-month-and-moonphase-2344

Source: https://www.thosewatchguys.com/soldwatches/universal-geneve-triple-date-moonphase

 

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Foo2rama

·Dec 1, 2023·Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.

Shockingly bad or an earlier variation shot from a weird angle...

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 1, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

Foo2rama

Shockingly bad or an earlier variation shot from a weird angle...

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I always appreciate the humor on this forum.

But seriously, this is a very obvious redial. All of the fonts are wrong. If you want another angle, see the photo below that nicely depicts how soft the sub-dial edges are.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 1, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

P.S. For price context, the dealer that was offering the example with the original dial was asking $4800 USD.

 

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Larry S

·Dec 2, 2023·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

Second recent example of an auction house who should know better.

 

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Mark020

·Dec 2, 2023·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

I commented this is in the Zenith section:
Greg has a very large collection and I like the fact that he collects 'weathered' watches.

However: this auction is a joke and frankly put I don't understand why he lends his name to this. There is serious lack of information in the description (i.e. references, serials) so if it is not visible in the pictures one has to guess. Prices are insane like USD 2.500 for a 30mm UG 'Wilhelmina' and USD 4.000 for a poor Compax

 

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bgrisso

·Dec 2, 2023

I'm not very surprised, in general it seems like quality UG rarely makes it to the big auction houses. It's such a niche market they don't seem to have the expertise (or perhaps the desire) to get into the details.

 

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vujen

·Dec 2, 2023

bad, bad thing.

oh and that 12k Minerva is a very well known model "completely assembled in the last decades". 😗

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 2, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

Mark020

I commented this is in the Zenith section:

I read your comment on that thread, and I agree.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 2, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

bgrisso

It's such a niche market they don't seem to have the expertise (or perhaps the desire) to get into the details.

Good point. It is easy to forget how niche certain markets are when one mainly focuses on niche markets.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 2, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

vujen

bad, bad thing.

oh and that 12k Minerva is a very well known model "completely assembled in the last decades". 😗

Ha, I was wondering if I should do a post on that Minerva.

 

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ikanbilisclub

·Dec 4, 2023

at least there is complimentary shipping 😁

 

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ikanbilisclub

·Dec 4, 2023

DirtyDozen12

I always appreciate the humor on this forum.

But seriously, this is a very obvious redial. All of the fonts are wrong. If you want another angle, see the photo below that nicely depicts how soft the sub-dial edges are.

agree its an honest redial, in line with honest vintage

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Dec 4, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

ikanbilisclub

agree its an honest redial, in line with honest vintage

Haha!

 

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iltdy

·Jan 15, 2024

I think their statement“"All watches sold in this collection are in their 'as found' vintage state and may include replacement parts or modifications."”is tricky。

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Jan 16, 2024·Thanks, mystery donor!

iltdy

I think their statement“"All watches sold in this collection are in their 'as found' vintage state and may include replacement parts or modifications."”is tricky。

Agreed. I wonder why this statement is in quotation marks? Also, what does "'as found' vintage state" mean, exactly?

 

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iltdy

·Jan 18, 2024

DirtyDozen12

Agreed. I wonder why this statement is in quotation marks? Also, what does "'as found' vintage state" mean, exactly?

means they sell what they bought，but even they themselves dont know whether the dials are original or not，etc

 

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Mark020

·Jan 18, 2024·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Greg knows 😁😒