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Universal Geneve FS, the "other” railway watch

  1. bgrisso Mar 9, 2020

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    thanks for posting, I was wondering the same thing. Do we even know if this is a UG case? Maybe best to get further info directly from the owner?
     
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  2. filmir Mar 10, 2020

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    Yes I spoke with him. He shared some photos of the caseback which are consistent. There is an italian book I am trying to find on train watches. The book has 3 universal series on the FS model. This is the best I could find for now
     
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  3. bongalaboo Mar 10, 2020

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    Do you have his instagram profile link?
     
  4. filmir Mar 10, 2020

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  5. bgrisso Mar 14, 2020

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    Just back from a full service. Interesting that the numbers are starting to go brown, but mostly on the left side only ?
     
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  6. filmir Mar 14, 2020

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    You have two?!? :thumbsup:
     
  7. bgrisso Mar 14, 2020

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    No, I sold the first one, regretted it, and now just bought a second one. Which I am also thinking to sell, since I have way too many watches. Which I will probably regret also and then buy a third one. And thus the great circle of watch insanity continues.........
     
  8. bgrisso Mar 14, 2020

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    It's also interesting to note that you definitely see "inking" level variations in the dial printing, this second one is noticeably heavier printing that my first one, I suspect they are different batches, or days, etc
     
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  9. Rman Mar 14, 2020

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    I’ve heard it said that the inking pads used to print mass-produced dials start a series with a fully-loaded pad and use progressively less ink by the time the last dial is stamped.
     
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  10. rim3hc Mar 26, 2020

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    Here's my recent acquisition! Definitely wears a lot bigger for a 36 mm than you'd imagine due to cushion case. The stamped enamel dial looks so great in person.

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  11. wbfondren Mar 26, 2020

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    Congrats!!

    Did these subdials have varying printing? I’ve never really studied up on these but it appears that some have all numerals sitting upright and others have them angled all over the dial.
     
  12. bgrisso Mar 26, 2020

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    Mk 1 is "radial" subdial and Mk2 is regular
     
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  13. bgrisso Mar 26, 2020

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    looks fantastic, great example !
     
  14. ekel Mar 28, 2020

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    Is this a screen cap from a video?
     
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  15. filmir Mar 28, 2020

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    Yes on YouTube.

    But got the book yesterday. Great stuff. Have to translate and post new info here. 3 UG series and it seems the numbers on the caseback are sequential. There is a table and everything :)
     
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  16. ekel Mar 28, 2020

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    Wow ok - that’s great. Can’t wait to see all this info!
     
  17. filmir Mar 28, 2020

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    - there are 3 different models. All these 3 models have been posted on this thread;

    - MK1 is the one with the radial subdial and the numbers go from 8000 to 32000;

    - MK2 is the one with the cushion case and the numbers go from 58000 to 114500;

    - MK3 shares the same case as MK2 but has small differences on the dial and caseback. The dial has "swiss" instead of "swiss made", the numbers are applied and the text of the logo is a bit smaller. The subdial has concentric circles, and I think it is not enamel (not sure). The numbers on the caseback are also smaller and inside the caseback we find a "2" in a box. The numbers go from 114500 to 116000;

    - MK3 was also sold to the public with no numbers on the caseback, and there are some prototypes with a 7 digit number so they can be distinguished from the others;

    - the gaps in the serial numbers are due to the fact that in between Perseo was responsible for some other series;

    - so we have around 85000 watches made bt UG;

    - with the table bellow we can date each model

    Please pull out your wacthes and put all of this to the test :thumbsup: And I'll have to translate more to see if there is something more interesting to add.
     
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  18. filmir Mar 28, 2020

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    Guess this is a MK3 dial. @jccjr has one on page 6.
     
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  19. TZWONG Mar 28, 2020

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    Fantastic stuff my friend, thank you so much for sharing!
     
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  20. TZWONG Mar 28, 2020

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    Also I'm a long time lurker, here's a photo of mine :)
     
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