Universal Geneve FS, the "other” railway watch

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And now what do we have here? MK3? MK1,5?

thanks for posting, I was wondering the same thing. Do we even know if this is a UG case? Maybe best to get further info directly from the owner?
 
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thanks for posting, I was wondering the same thing. Do we even know if this is a UG case? Maybe best to get further info directly from the owner?

Yes I spoke with him. He shared some photos of the caseback which are consistent. There is an italian book I am trying to find on train watches. The book has 3 universal series on the FS model. This is the best I could find for now
 
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Just back from a full service. Interesting that the numbers are starting to go brown, but mostly on the left side only ?
 
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Just back from a full service. Interesting that the numbers are starting to go brown, but mostly on the left side only ?

You have two?!? 👍
 
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You have two?!? 👍

No, I sold the first one, regretted it, and now just bought a second one. Which I am also thinking to sell, since I have way too many watches. Which I will probably regret also and then buy a third one. And thus the great circle of watch insanity continues.........
 
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It's also interesting to note that you definitely see "inking" level variations in the dial printing, this second one is noticeably heavier printing that my first one, I suspect they are different batches, or days, etc
 
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It's also interesting to note that you definitely see "inking" level variations in the dial printing, this second one is noticeably heavier printing that my first one, I suspect they are different batches, or days, etc
I’ve heard it said that the inking pads used to print mass-produced dials start a series with a fully-loaded pad and use progressively less ink by the time the last dial is stamped.
 
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Here's my recent acquisition! Definitely wears a lot bigger for a 36 mm than you'd imagine due to cushion case. The stamped enamel dial looks so great in person.

 
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Here's my recent acquisition! Definitely wears a lot bigger for a 36 mm than you'd imagine due to cushion case. The stamped enamel dial looks so great in person.


Congrats!!

Did these subdials have varying printing? I’ve never really studied up on these but it appears that some have all numerals sitting upright and others have them angled all over the dial.
 
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Congrats!!

Did these subdials have varying printing? I’ve never really studied up on these but it appears that some have all numerals sitting upright and others have them angled all over the dial.

Mk 1 is "radial" subdial and Mk2 is regular
 
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Here's my recent acquisition! Definitely wears a lot bigger for a 36 mm than you'd imagine due to cushion case. The stamped enamel dial looks so great in person.


looks fantastic, great example !
 
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Yes I spoke with him. He shared some photos of the caseback which are consistent. There is an italian book I am trying to find on train watches. The book has 3 universal series on the FS model. This is the best I could find for now
Is this a screen cap from a video?
 
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looks fantastic, great example !
Is this a screen cap from a video?

Yes on YouTube.

But got the book yesterday. Great stuff. Have to translate and post new info here. 3 UG series and it seems the numbers on the caseback are sequential. There is a table and everything 😀
 
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Yes on YouTube.

But got the book yesterday. Great stuff. Have to translate and post new info here. 3 UG series and it seems the numbers on the caseback are sequential. There is a table and everything 😀
Wow ok - that’s great. Can’t wait to see all this info!
 
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Wow ok - that’s great. Can’t wait to see all this info!

- there are 3 different models. All these 3 models have been posted on this thread;

- MK1 is the one with the radial subdial and the numbers go from 8000 to 32000;

- MK2 is the one with the cushion case and the numbers go from 58000 to 114500;

- MK3 shares the same case as MK2 but has small differences on the dial and caseback. The dial has "swiss" instead of "swiss made", the numbers are applied and the text of the logo is a bit smaller. The subdial has concentric circles, and I think it is not enamel (not sure). The numbers on the caseback are also smaller and inside the caseback we find a "2" in a box. The numbers go from 114500 to 116000;

- MK3 was also sold to the public with no numbers on the caseback, and there are some prototypes with a 7 digit number so they can be distinguished from the others;

- the gaps in the serial numbers are due to the fact that in between Perseo was responsible for some other series;

- so we have around 85000 watches made bt UG;

- with the table bellow we can date each model

Please pull out your wacthes and put all of this to the test 👍 And I'll have to translate more to see if there is something more interesting to add.
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