Universal Genève Four Digit References

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Just a newly found reference guys 😀
 
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First thing’s first. I recently acquired this special little cal. 262 and want to share it here. The serial dates this reference 7377 to around 1938. The glossy black and silver gilt dial is in flawless condition. In common with many dial designs from this period, the numeral font is another stunner.



The 34mm fancy case is unlike anything I have ever seen from Universal. The watch feels honest in hand and marked inside-and-out with the usual UG stamps one would expect to find. The case is mostly brush-finished but the faceted edges at 1.15, 4.45, 7.15 and 10.45 have a highly reflective mirror polish on them which adds real drama to the watch at wrist. The lugs are fixed and precisely follow the curve of the case.



Furthermore, the crystal attached to this piece is spectacular and possibly unique to this model. I have certainly never seen anything like it before with UG. It floats above the bezel and is clamped in place by the aforementioned mirrored frame notches.



The flat crown is a nice touch too and almost disappears from view when the watch is glimpsed head on.



I find the brief four-digit case number era at Universal Genève to be one of the most compelling and mysterious periods of the manufacture. Information out there is very scant (surprise, surprise).

Mr Sala’s book states that “It was only in 1936/37 that the reference number of the case was also punched alongside the serial number, initially inside the caseback then subsequently on the exterior of the case. From 1936/37 to around 1940, case reference numbers were four-digit numbers assigned at random and - by current standards - with no apparent logic. After approximately 1940, these reference numbers became five-digit numbers.”
As with everything UG from this decade, this broadly checks out in my experience, but not perfectly so. I have a 1940 Compax that indeed does follow the five-digit case numbering convention. However, I also own a time-only Colonial with a five digit case reference from early 1939, suggesting that the new system came in well before 1940 on some models. Maybe the time-only pieces, with a greater likelihood of receiving case updates and/or new styles, were the first to carry the five digit references as they were refreshed, ahead of the chronos? I guess we’ll never know for sure.

On his website, @mr.a places the four digit case reference era more like “mid 30s to approx 1938”;


Credit mr.a

I have to say that, as above, this timeline checks out more with what I have seen collecting UG. What’s a couple of years between friends? One final point here, stated by both Mr Sala and mr.a, is that the four digit case references, often starting with a ‘7’, were most likely assigned at random by the factory. For my part, I find this chaotic numbering practice so irregular. How strange to strive for complete technical accuracy and design precision and then just throw a random number on the finished product.

Please feel free to post any thoughts on this rather long opening post. Most importantly, please post any UG watches you have with four digit case reference numbers - all are welcome here!


Jeez. I really need to stop finding things I'll never be able to find.

Another one to haunt my dreams.
 
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Seems fair about $1900 with auctioneers commission and no tariffs , I'd like to see more pictures.
 
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They are one the site ;-)
 
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Ok found it.

Pictures were ridiculous, band was not included.

Write up practically non-existent.

Watch did well for not tested/as-is.
 
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Plenty of pictures in the condition report? What write up did you expect? Strap is just leather one?
 
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More than this--"The watch is working at the time of cataloguing and in overall good condition. The watch has some scratches and signs of wearon the case due to time and use. The dial has patina and strong signs of wear due to time. The watch has not been tested todetermine the accuracy of its timekeeping. Please note that Pandolfini Casa d’Aste does not guarantee the future working of themovement and that a service may be required at the buyer’s discretion. Please be advised that wristbands made of materialsderived from endangered or otherwise protected species (i.e. alligator and crocodile) are not sold with the watches and are fordisplay purposes only. We reserve the right to remove these bands prior to delivering/shipping."
 
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I sincerely don't understand what you mean. Factor in a service (EUR 300). What else do you need?
 
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Just received this "tankish" style UG from the 30s and overall I'm really pleased with it. Serial number 695696 dates it to around '38 according to Sala's book I believe. No reference number on the back of the case but I presume it is on the inside of the caseback (though I don't dare to take it off - its on pretty tight).

Measures just a smidge over 24x24mm (excluding lugs/crown) which is a little on the small side for a mens watch, but those dimensions have good company in the original Cartier Tank Obus and the UG Marquis that was retailed for Hermes. Came on the original strap from the 30s with staybrite labeled clasp.

Haven't got a chance to take any photos so here are two from the Chrono24 listing.

Cheers.

 
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Probably not a 4 digit