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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerIntruiging. 2052 may be the predecessor of 5002.
Universal Genève Four Digit References
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerThis - probably correct - ref 7069 was just sold for EUR 4.000 excl. 26.2% fee https://drouot.com/en/l/22204871-universal-geneva-unicompax-ref
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vujen
·well, I'd say that dial is - at least - many years more modern than watch! 😁
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerPerhaps. But not much comparables to be found....
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vujen
·Because it's a Uni-Compax dial in a 684xxx case...
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vujen
·I respectfully disagree.
In this same thread we have a pic of an old catalogue, with a 7066 reference and a "Compur" dial.
Moreover, from what I can see, again in this thread we have examples of Compur models with 750k serial.
I can't prove anything but to me these are swapped dials. This case was an early waterproof one, and it's normal for me to think that most of these dials were damaged at some point and swapped with Uni-Compax dials.
But yes, I see there are many examples that you showed us. So I guess I'm in minority here 😀
EDIT: are we sure that black examples are actual different watches? Maybe it's the same watch.
EDIT 2: I found some 2015 pics of a barnfind watch. Serial is really close to this one, reference is the same, and of course it was a Berthoud. Again, I can't prove anything but I'd bet that this was originally a Berthoud one.. now with a UG dial in order to increase its value.
In this same thread we have a pic of an old catalogue, with a 7066 reference and a "Compur" dial.
Moreover, from what I can see, again in this thread we have examples of Compur models with 750k serial.
I can't prove anything but to me these are swapped dials. This case was an early waterproof one, and it's normal for me to think that most of these dials were damaged at some point and swapped with Uni-Compax dials.
But yes, I see there are many examples that you showed us. So I guess I'm in minority here 😀
EDIT: are we sure that black examples are actual different watches? Maybe it's the same watch.
EDIT 2: I found some 2015 pics of a barnfind watch. Serial is really close to this one, reference is the same, and of course it was a Berthoud. Again, I can't prove anything but I'd bet that this was originally a Berthoud one.. now with a UG dial in order to increase its value.
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martinc
·I respectfully disagree.
In this same thread we have a pic of an old catalogue, with a 7066 reference and a "Compur" dial.
Moreover, from what I can see, again in this thread we have examples of Compur models with 750k serial.
I can't proof anything but to me these are swapped dials. This case was an early waterproof one, and it's normal for me to think that most of these dials were damaged at some point and swapped with Uni-Compax dials.
But yes, I see there are many examples that you showed us. So I guess I'm in minority here 😀
Oh, definitely Compurs and Uni-Compaxes existed in parallel all through the 1940s and shared the same reference numbers. So I definitely don’t see any problem in having the same ref. as both Compur (30) and Uni-Compax (best example being the 22409 Spillmann).
Sala as well as other sources say that Uni-Compax was introduced in 1936, which corresponds to serials somewhere just over 600 000. So why wouldn’t it be possible to have a 684024 serial as a Uni-Compax?
But obviously I have no proof for my claim that the dial(s) is (are) really original to the case.
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vujen
·So I definitely don’t see any problem in having the same ref. as both Compur (30) and Uni-Compax (best example being the 22409 Spillmann).
Anyway, I can't prove anything so... but I have this feeling. I'll keep looking for other examples.
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerVery interesting ref 5923 with batch number 68 Sold for cheap: https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/universal-geneve-chronograph-18k-vintage-1237577422/
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10H10
·Very interesting ref 5923 with batch number 68 Sold for cheap: https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/universal-geneve-chronograph-18k-vintage-1237577422/
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerYou forgot to bid?
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerNice 5166 although I have my doubts about the dial (swiss made?) https://www.chrono24.nl/universalge...r-30-unver-285-rare-bi-compax--id29952034.htm
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·Nice 5166 although I have my doubts about the dial (swiss made?) https://www.chrono24.nl/universalge...r-30-unver-285-rare-bi-compax--id29952034.htm
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martinc
·Nice 5166 although I have my doubts about the dial (swiss made?) https://www.chrono24.nl/universalge...r-30-unver-285-rare-bi-compax--id29952034.htm
Redial, definitely.
Wrong (too long) central chrono hand.
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·Does anyone know how the mirrored/foil indices are applied in a redial (or in the first place)? I have never been sure if this is a galvanic process similar to gilting (doesn't really look like it) or an actual deposition of a physical layer of metallic paint/foil.
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerInteresting question.
Already posted in another thread but now with serial etc. Ref 5176 https://www.carsandwatches.com/watches/universal-geneva-calatrava-with-super-rare-dial-1930s
Already posted in another thread but now with serial etc. Ref 5176 https://www.carsandwatches.com/watches/universal-geneva-calatrava-with-super-rare-dial-1930s
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CaptainWinsor
·Interesting question.
Already posted in another thread but now with serial etc. Ref 5176 https://www.carsandwatches.com/watches/universal-geneva-calatrava-with-super-rare-dial-1930s
crazy asking price
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerOf course. But hey: what do we know
