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·I hear he has a book deal.
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Ultraman flipping by employee at Omega AD
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efauser
·It’s morally wrong, some people want these watches but can’t buy them unless they pay well over the odds. Some people have bought these just to try and get a quick profit, depriving watch collectors who would happily keep the watch, wear it and never sell it.
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Robert-Jan
··#SpeedyTuesdayOh boy. Omega ADs could not order this watch 'the regular way' they always do, so this fellow ordered the watch like any of us did (who did so ;-)), directly online. I don't particularly like flippers and speculators, but what can you do. Omega did their best to clean up the list with 'doubles' (and sometimes people even ordered 6 I've heard, for them, their mothers, their mother's neighbour and the milkman's kids), which lead to the allocation of freed up pieces to the waiting list (and still ongoing).
What they can't stop is people like this Lars guy who just order one and flip it. That's something you can't prevent from happening. However, I think his manager should have stopped him. Or better said, 'advised' him with some pressure. It could be a CLM (Career Limiting Move) in the future when you put the boutique or store you work for in a bad daylight. In the end, people can (and did) make the connection with his professional job and his private flipping.
Certainly, it is a free market and if I buy a pen in the shop next door and sell it tomorrow on ebay, that's my business and good right to do so. But when I work for a Montblanc dealer, order a limited edition Montblanc pen (myself) that thousands of people want to have and sell it on ebay next day, I am pretty sure my boss wouldn't be too happy if this is exposed on the interwebs. And everything you do these days can be exposed, at least a young guy as Lars working for a retailer with big brands should be aware of this. Someone also wrote a few pages back that it is moralistically wrong, and with that, I also agree tbh. You just don't do this if you are a professional and work for a retailer that represents this brand. I also wonder how this will work with Norwegian taxes and 'extra income' as well as 'competition guidelines' of his employer when he starts selling new watches as a side-business. But that's up to them I guess.
What they can't stop is people like this Lars guy who just order one and flip it. That's something you can't prevent from happening. However, I think his manager should have stopped him. Or better said, 'advised' him with some pressure. It could be a CLM (Career Limiting Move) in the future when you put the boutique or store you work for in a bad daylight. In the end, people can (and did) make the connection with his professional job and his private flipping.
Certainly, it is a free market and if I buy a pen in the shop next door and sell it tomorrow on ebay, that's my business and good right to do so. But when I work for a Montblanc dealer, order a limited edition Montblanc pen (myself) that thousands of people want to have and sell it on ebay next day, I am pretty sure my boss wouldn't be too happy if this is exposed on the interwebs. And everything you do these days can be exposed, at least a young guy as Lars working for a retailer with big brands should be aware of this. Someone also wrote a few pages back that it is moralistically wrong, and with that, I also agree tbh. You just don't do this if you are a professional and work for a retailer that represents this brand. I also wonder how this will work with Norwegian taxes and 'extra income' as well as 'competition guidelines' of his employer when he starts selling new watches as a side-business. But that's up to them I guess.
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kov
·To me the kid has only been stupid in the way he tried to resell his watch and I hope such an exposure will be a good lesson learned.
Learning by doing...
Learning by doing...
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texasmade
·He just did what most people do, what does his work place have to do with anything.
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·It has everything to do with it since he works for an AD and took pictures of the watch to sell at an AD. This is a terrible look for the AD and really poor judgement displayed by Lars. If he were just some regular Joe selling the watch and posting pictures from his home, no one would care. By using the AD to display the watch it makes it look like he gamed the system to profit.
Or did the OP of this thread click on Lars' profile page and find out that he is a student working part-time while studying economics, and decide to link the two pages together in his original post for whatever reason?
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·Or did the OP of this thread click on Lars' profile page and find out that he is a student working part-time while studying economics, and decide to link the two pages together in his original post for whatever reason?
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TinyClown
·Have you seen his ad on Facebook? Was the AD where he works identified in the ad? Did Lars state in his ad that he worked at an Omega dealer?
Or did the OP of this thread click on Lars' profile page and find out that he is a student working part-time while studying economics, and decide to link the two pages together in his original post for whatever reason?
The FS ad was posted on the Norwegian FB group Klokkeriet which has more than 44k members. It is a group that only focuses on watch discussions and watch sales between members. In terms of the number of postings and member activity the group dwarfs Omega Forums. Lars was actively involved in the discussion of his for sale ad on Klokkeriet before it was deleted and there is no debate that (1) he works at Gjertsen, (2) that his photos were taken at work, (3) that he took delivery of the watch at work, or (4) that his boss at Gjertsen was aware of what he was doing. I do not know if the admins took his ad down or whether he deleted it himself. I spoke with one of the Klokkeriet admins while the discussion was ongoing to make sure that I was not violating Klokkeriet’s rules by posting to a for sale thread. Klokkeriet has half a dozen very active admins who are not afraid to kick people out and coming back in again is not easy. I took a screenshot of his ad, a screenshot of his public FB profile and Gjertsen’s front page and stitched them together to provide context that was at that point undisputed given the lengthy discussion that had just transpired on Klokkeriet
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·I took a screenshot of his ad, a screenshot of his public FB profile and Gjertsen’s front page and stitched them together to provide context that was at that point undisputed given the lengthy discussion that had just transpired on Klokkeriet
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kov
·Perhaps you could explain your motive for doing that and bringing this to OF in the first place.
This. And why do you insist so much @TinyClown ?
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Rodmar
·It's kind of funny that someone who has made more than a few posts lately about the Tintin watch, and its alleged meteoric rise in value, has a case of the vapors at someone else acquiring a watch legitimately through the standard Omega process and then selling it for a profit. Spare me the BS about morality or impugning the kid's character. Literally anyone who follows Omega's social media channels had an opportunity to reserve this watch. I had one reserved, but decided to cancel so someone on the wait list could get one. Does that make me morally superior to this kid because I didn't flip? Of course not - I thought about it but figured someone here might have the opportunity to snag it, so I passed. More power to the kid because he took the initiative and the risk - as there was no guarantee he could sell it for more than he paid. These are luxury goods that no one "needs". The moralizing about it is comical.
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dan7800
·I'd have thought Lars Landro made enough money from the Star Wars franchise
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TinyClown
·Perhaps you could explain your motive for doing that and bringing this to OF in the first place.
My view, given my recent discussions with local Omega dealers about the profiling and/or anti-flipping policies that Omega is implementing, was that this was (1) an interesting topic on Klokkeriet, and (2) that it would be interesting to see if the discussion here went in a different direction.
I came up on Watchnet and TimeZone in the 90s and I have been around OF for a long time, in part because I know one of the admins personally, but also because I read OF postings regularly. Just because someone isn’t engaging does not mean that they’re not following a given forum. OF has enough guys who are experts on Speedmasters and Constellations that another one isn’t really needed.
If you go back and look at my comments you will find that I have tried to give an as neutral as possible description of the facts and that I have corrected inaccuracies or distortions along the way. I obviously have a particular view, but I have tried not to let that view color my description of the facts. The discussion on Klokkeriet went about 60/40 against Lars while the discussion here is at least 80/20 in his favor. That is interesting in itself. Otherwise, as the first poster responding to Lars’ post on Klokkeriet mentioned, maybe it’s “four past dick o’clock” here as well?
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·The guy is obviously young & has showed he has initiative & is obviously driven . He probably is oblivious to the bigger picture & upset to the wider wis world . Would have probably committed the same crime, in my youthful naivety .
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Lonestar
·Can someone (@Robert-Jan maybe?) please enlighten me: what happens if a watch is delivered to an OB/AD and the person who legitimately placed the order online like the other 2011 who did (I was late by a couple of minute only... grrr...) decides to NOT pay for it when he sees/handles it in the shop, simply because he doesn't want it anymore? Does the watch "go back" to the (1) local DC (2) continental DC (3) global DC - to please the next guy in the waiting list ? (preferably: me 😁)...
...or can a smart young salesman pick it up on the spot for his own "enjoyment"? I'm just asking....
...or can a smart young salesman pick it up on the spot for his own "enjoyment"? I'm just asking....
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·Can someone (@Robert-Jan maybe?) please enlighten me: what happens if a watch is delivered to an OB/AD and the person who legitimately placed the order online like the other 2011 who did (I was late by a couple of minute only... grrr...) decides to NOT pay for it when he sees/handles it in the shop, simply because he doesn't want it anymore? Does the watch "go back" to the (1) local DC (2) continental DC (3) global DC - to please the next guy in the waiting list ? (preferably: me 😁)...
...or can a smart young salesman pick it up on the spot for his own "enjoyment"? I'm just asking....
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Lonestar
·It's quite simple, if someone doesn't want his allocated piece it is offered to the next in line on the waiting list. .
let me try again 😉 how exactly is this executed and monitored once the watch has been delivered to the P.o.S. already?
Who exactly is the "next in line"? Same city? Same country? Same region? The very first guy who was waitilisted in the system who doesn't have it yet, even if he's in Oz when the watch was delivered in a Nordic country? How does Omega ensure it actually isn't picked up by whoever is the next patron walking in the shop? If I were a shopowner, especially an AD, frankly, I'd be more than happy to sell this to whoever can first purchase it so I don't have to go through the paperworks, the call to the shipper, and all the admistrative burdent... I'd like to know how Omega prevents this from happening...
In case it isn't clear - I hope I'm one of the first ones in the waitlist (12:30-ish CET was when I put my name in the system iirc because I was too dumb to come back from my lunch break early) and I'd like to be reassured all it takes to steal my precious slot isn't just being there at the right AD at the right time with a silly-looking haircut 😉
(although I have low expectations, quite honestly - and I've blown the allocated money to the Ultraman already anyway in another watch 😵💫)
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