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  1. zigpuce5959 Jul 22, 2023

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    Hi, I'm brand new to the forum.

    I would be interested in buying a White/Golden Shadow UG but it is quite hard to find informations on those models.

    Some models have a chrome case, others have a matte aluminium finish; some hands are painted, others are chromed and there is a huge diversity on the dial's lettering. Are there some reference guide or original ads that could help?

    There is also a huge diversity of case shapes, especially for the Golden Shadow. It is also said that the watch was inspired by the Patek Ellipse while the UG is older... (1965 vs 1968)

    I also read that the Patek cal.240 was basically a copy from cal.66 and was made by the same engineer (Gérard Berret) but I didn't find much more info : (in french)
    https://forumamontres.forumactif.com/t211546-pp240-ug66-l-etranger-ressemblance

    Thanks in advance for help.
     
  2. HamDoctor Jul 22, 2023

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    Hi,

    I like the White Shadow really much, so I wanted to answer you with what I have found out so far. The "Shadow" line was introduced at BaselWorld 1966 and featured the Golden Shadow (solid gold), Gilt Shadow (gold plated) and the White Shadow (stainless steel). As to why the White Shadow wasn't called "Silver Shadow", my theory is that there was this little luxury vehicle that was introduced the year before, the Silver Shadow by Rolls Royce, so that name was already occupied in the world of luxury. Still, it is a nice coincidence and maybe says something about the target audience of the Universal Geneve Shadow line.

    The Shadows featured the ultra-thin 66 movement (later models the 1-66 and 2-66), and there was also a version with a date that was called 67. More info here:
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Universal_66_0

    One of the better posts that I have found about the UG White Shadow was this one:
    https://www.thewristorian.com/post/shining-a-light-on-the-universal-genève-shadow-series

    I know where the confusion with the Patek Ellipse is coming from - the original case shape of the Shadow series was a Gerald Genta design, but later on, UG also offered Shadows in different case shapes. One of these was very close in form to the Patek Philippe Ellipse, and featured an integrated bracelet. It's a nice way to get an Ellipse-style watch with a good movement, without paying Patek money for it ... and the somewhat rarer versions with a blue dial are really nice to look at, provided you can find one in good condition.

    If you want to go hunting for a Shadow, take a look at Japanese auctions. There are quite a few on offer there, if you are patient - and I got mine there, too.

    Universal Geneve White Shadow wristshot 03.jpg
     
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  3. zigpuce5959 Jul 22, 2023

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    Thanks for your answer!
    Congrats for your watch! Silver on silver is the best combination on this model.
     
  4. Aweis305 Sep 18, 2023

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    It's a great line of watches. I have a square gilt-shadow and an ellipse white-shadow myself. Very reliable, low cost of entry, and if you feel brave enough for Yahoo Japan, there are some great deals on this line to be had.
     
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  5. Trex66 Sep 19, 2023

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    I've a huge fan of UG white shadow, being a Gerald Genta design, this is the closest thing I can get to have a Genta UG as the Polerouter is proving to be hard to acquire.

    What's great is they have a Gay Freres bracelet on it.

    BTW, I am a watch hobbyist. I take random photos and post it on my IG, just in case you guys find it interesting.

    IG: Timepiece_profiler

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  6. Rothkowitz Oct 30, 2023

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    Mine just arrived today and I couldn't be happier(At least until I'm able to pull the trigger on a Patek Golden Ellipse). Found the post because I'm also interested in learning more about the history of the watch. I'm also curious about what year my watch might have been produced. its got at 3,300,000 serial. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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  7. Mazoue Oct 31, 2023

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    That serial dates your watch to around 1976.
     
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  8. HamDoctor Oct 31, 2023

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    Hey Mazoue,

    I have been searching high and low for a way to date Universal Geneve watches after 1967, and didn't have any luck so far. Even tried contacting the company of today. Do you have access to this data?

    There's two serials that I'd be VERY interested in finding a date for - one is my White Shadow (as shown in my post above) with a serial of 3,286,***. The other is a manual wind (cal. 1-42) with a much later serial of 3,387,***.

    If you can tell me approximate dates of production, I'd very much appreciate it. Thank you.

    Thomas
     
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  9. Rothkowitz Oct 31, 2023

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    [QUOTE="Mazoue, post: 2253478, member: Thank
    you!
     
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  10. Mazoue Oct 31, 2023

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    There's a table of serials in the Polerouter book based on estimated production numbers up until 1984 (entirely consistent with the table in Sala up to 1966/67).

    3'286'xxx has an approximate production date of 1975.
    3'387'xxx has an approximate production date of 1977.
     
  11. HamDoctor Nov 1, 2023

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    That's awesome information to me. I wasn't aware someone had done the research and updated the information from the Sala table, which was all I could find on the net.

    Many thanks for looking this up! This is great in several ways, not only do I know more now, I did also find out that I already possess a watch that I can call a "birth year watch". I had been casually looking for something like that, but didn't put much effort into it ... as evidenced by the fact that I have watches from 1974 and from 1976, but never one from 1975... Turns out that this box is already ticked :thumbsup:
     
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  12. HamDoctor Nov 29, 2023

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    Hello @Mazoue

    I only just know realized that one of the numbers I gave you was wrong - it was 3'296'xxx instead of 3'286'xxx. A difference of 10'000 watches ... I hope this is still a 1975 serial number, and would be very glad if you could take another look in the book, whenever it is convenient. I guess it is 1976, though, as you posted above that a 3'300'000 serial number is from 1976...

    Thanks a lot for your time!
     
  13. Mazoue Nov 29, 2023

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    Sorry, 3'296'xxx puts it into 1976 based on the estimated production numbers.
     
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  14. HamDoctor Nov 29, 2023

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    Thanks again! Yea, I thought so. The curious case of not having a 1975 watch (but quite a few from 1974 and 1976) continues ... but THAT is a problem that will definitely not bother me overly. Still, it's great to know, and not do guesswork. So, once again, I very much appreciate the info.
     
  15. OmegaP99 Dec 20, 2023

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    I'm finding myself drawn to the White Shadow as my first UG and was curious to know more about applied logos as they appeal to me more than a painted one. I love this specific case design and stick markers on the watch in the image below, but would like to know what's the closest to this one that has an applied logo?
     
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  16. HamDoctor Dec 21, 2023

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    So far I have not seen a White Shadow with an applied logo. It's either the "Fat U" like on mine, or the "thin U" that was used before, and I think up until the mid-1970s. I'm not aware of the exact moment when the "U" changed, but in 1972, it was still the thin one. And in 1976, the "bold" one.

    Here's a picture of an earlier White Shadow from a recent auction (not mine, just to show the thin "U"):

    whiteshadow_thinU.jpg

    And a picture from a 1972 catalogue:

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  17. Silversix Dec 21, 2023

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    UG symbol is always painted over on White Shadow watches. Gilt Shadow and Golden Shadow do have the applied symbol that you're looking for.
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  18. OmegaP99 Dec 21, 2023

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  19. CafeRacer Dec 22, 2023

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    Search some of the dials offered on reference 867103

    c1973-Universal-Geneve-White-Shadow-26.jpg
     
  20. Silversix Dec 22, 2023

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    Recall seeing this color, but it had the thin U symbol. Probably pretty hard to come by, but it looks like they are a thing.