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·did you send to the omega front pictures with visible Orange hand ?
two speed masters passed down from grumpy father
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Mr. Phil
·did you send to the omega front pictures with visible Orange hand ?
I doubt the pictures ever made it to the person doing the extract. My request was lost numerous times in covid mess.
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Rolexvintage.it
·I doubt the pictures ever made it to the person doing the extract. My request was lost numerous times in covid mess.
If you have a correct Ultraman Number , you take of orange hand and put white regular hand and ask them the chive they don't write Orange hand
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Rolexvintage.it
·so the problem is that ...
If you have a correct Ultraman Number , you take of orange hand and put white regular hand and ask them the chive they don't write Orange hand
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jaegodylan
·I doubt the pictures ever made it to the person doing the extract. My request was lost numerous times in covid mess.
I would try again with them.. they are typically quite responsive. It's also possible to get them on the phone.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Interesting. Just bear in mind that as I mentioned a page back, the 'accepted range' for Ultraman serials is 3K wide. This suggests 2 possibilities, there are 3K UMs out there (but I hear some cry 'there are only 50 Ultramans err Ultramen, how can that be?') or more likely there were other watches in that range as well. Now it would be a massive coincidence that an original looking Speedy with a red hand in that range wasn't an original UM but I guess it could happen. Unlikely though I would have thought, more likely it is indeed a genuine UM.
The other thing to consider is that this is yet another indication that the Extract team don't really have an accurate record of which watches were shipped with the red hand at all and are going off the supplied pictures and guesswork. This has been the suspicion for years and there have been several examples of conflicting extracts being issued depending on who is asking, auction house and collectors seem to get the more interesting versions for instance as they are more likely to ask the right questions.
As noted above, send them an email querying this with a photo of the watch and ask for a comment on, bearing in mind where the serial falls, whether they are stating that the watch has been altered to its current condition, or would they like to alter the extract in light of the new information...
The other thing to consider is that this is yet another indication that the Extract team don't really have an accurate record of which watches were shipped with the red hand at all and are going off the supplied pictures and guesswork. This has been the suspicion for years and there have been several examples of conflicting extracts being issued depending on who is asking, auction house and collectors seem to get the more interesting versions for instance as they are more likely to ask the right questions.
As noted above, send them an email querying this with a photo of the watch and ask for a comment on, bearing in mind where the serial falls, whether they are stating that the watch has been altered to its current condition, or would they like to alter the extract in light of the new information...
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerInteresting. Just bear in mind that as I mentioned a page back, the 'accepted range' for Ultraman serials is 3K wide. This suggests 2 possibilities, there are 3K UMs out there (but I hear some cry 'there are only 50 Ultramans err Ultramen, now can that be?') or more likely there were other watches in that range as well. Now it would be a massive coincidence that an original looking Speedy with a red hand in that range wasn't an original UM but I guess it could happen. Unlikely though I would have thought, more likely it is indeed a genuine UM.
The other thing to consider is that this is yet another indication that the Extract team don't really have an accurate record of which watches were shipped with the red hand at all and are going off the supplied pictures and guesswork. This has been the suspicion for years and there have been several examples of conflicting extracts being issued depending on who is asking, auction house and collectors seem to get the more interesting versions for instance as they are more likely to ask the right questions.
As noted above, send them an email querying this with a photo of the watch and ask for a comment on, bearing in mind where the serial falls, whether they are stating that the watch has been altered to its current condition, or would they like to alter the extract in light of the new information...
IMO if a photo is needed to "confirm" anything on a watch, then the service they are providing is not an Extract of the Archives, it's something else. There should be nothing on the Extract that isn't actually in the Archives. At this point, I'm not really even sure what this service is that Omega provides. As you point out, who is asking the question seems to matter as much as anything else, which in my view puts the whole process under serious questions...
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michael e
·Regarding the archive process..
I think sometimes information is missed out through the archivists lack of knowledge of each of the 1000s of watches and I can fully understand that. Most people want to know if case and movement match, and that is enough for many and I think the person who does a particular archive might miss out what are deemed as important info to the client.
Point in case below.
First archive had little info, so I asked Omega to take another look at the watch in question and the photos I had sent.
Hope this helps.
I think sometimes information is missed out through the archivists lack of knowledge of each of the 1000s of watches and I can fully understand that. Most people want to know if case and movement match, and that is enough for many and I think the person who does a particular archive might miss out what are deemed as important info to the client.
Point in case below.
First archive had little info, so I asked Omega to take another look at the watch in question and the photos I had sent.
Hope this helps.
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Evitzee
·Regarding the archive process..
I think sometimes information is missed out through the archivists lack of knowledge of each of the 1000s of watches and I can fully understand that. Most people want to know if case and movement match, and that is enough for many and I think the person who does a particular archive might miss out what are deemed as important info to the client.
Point in case below.
First archive had little info, so I asked Omega to take another look at the watch in question and the photos I had sent.
Hope this helps.
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michael e
·Did you lead them with the 'Flightmaster' word and the special markings for F.A.P. on the case back, or did they actually discover them in the archives?
Hi.
I'm not sure what was in the archives to be honest but the fact that the watch has Flightmaster on the dial and the FAP engraving although obscured on the back and was sent to Peru it should be a good indication that the watch is a FAP Flightmaster which was sent to the Peruvian military.
If the photos I sent were looked at by a knowledgable person the details should have been added in my opinion.
Not forgetting the added evidence of the serial numbers which is close to other FAP watches.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHi.
I'm not sure what was in the archives to be honest but the fact that the watch has Flightmaster on the dial and the FAP engraving although obscured on the back and was sent to Peru it should be a good indication that the watch is a FAP Flightmaster which was sent to the Peruvian military.
If the photos I sent were looked at by a knowledgable person the details should have been added in my opinion.
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Again, if they added this based on photos, then it's not really an Extract of the Archives...
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BenBagbag
·Again, if they added this based on photos, then it's not really an Extract of the Archives...
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!And yet why should the OP suffer because this time the extract team forgot to look at the pic. It’s a bent system, one needs to game it to get the same advantage as the auction houses who miraculously get dates changed and provenance pulled from thin air.
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michael e
·Again, if they added this based on photos, then it's not really an Extract of the Archives...
I understand what you mean Al.
From my standpoint the original archive told me everything I wanted to know but if I can get someone at Omega to look at the watch and put ink on the archive mentioning the other facts. that is the cherry on top for me.
Same with the OPs watch I believe.
Cheers, Michael
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAnd yet why should the OP suffer because this time the extract team forgot to look at the pic. It’s a bent system, one needs to game it to get the same advantage the auction houses who miraculously get dates changed and provenance pulled from thin air.
The whole thing seems incredibly corrupt to me. If you know the right people, or ask something in the right way, your watch could be worth many thousands more. If you are a regular Joe, then you get back the bare bones and potentially lose value on something.
This is no better, and in some ways worse, than the era when they used to allow "comments" to be added to the extracts. At least then, we all knew those were to be taken with a grain of salt. Now it appears to be nearly the same thing, but with the air of Omega officiality added...
For me, if something isn't in the archives, it should not be on the extract. I've felt this system was wonky from the time they started insisting on photos being sent. You shouldn't need photos to look up a serial number...
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michael e
·The whole thing seems incredibly corrupt to me. If you know the right people, or ask something in the right way, your watch could be worth many thousands more. If you are a regular Joe, then you get back the bare bones and potentially lose value on something.
This is no better, and in some ways worse, than the era when they used to allow "comments" to be added to the extracts. At least then, we all knew those were to be taken with a grain of salt. Now it appears to be nearly the same thing, but with the air of Omega officiality added...
For me, if something isn't in the archives, it should not be on the extract. I've felt this system was wonky from the time they started insisting on photos being sent. You shouldn't need photos to look up a serial number...
I hope the OPs archive will be looked into, I don’t see a problem if someone who knows what they are looking at can mention the hand, dial, case back etc on the archive if it is deemed to be correct.
I don’t think anyone believes this isn’t an Ultraman.
You certainly don’t need special privileges to ask Omega to look again, they are certainly one of the most open to communicate with of all of the watch manufacturers, Longines are good too.
But at the end of the day, the knowledge people gain over the years and the research that can be done should be the first tool people use in any purchase they make.
I think the Ultraman is a bit of a trouble maker when it comes to the Speedmaster.
I was thinking the other day one hadn’t surfaced for a while and then another old sock drawer gets opened 😁
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI don’t think anyone believes this isn’t an Ultraman.
If they do it for this one, what is to stop someone from buying a hand, putting it on a watch, and asking for the same things? As long as the other parameters are good, they should get it as well, right?
But at the end of the day, the knowledge people gain over the years and the research that can be done should be the first tool people use in any purchase they make.
On that we certainly agree. And the first bit of knowledge I would apply to an Omega Extract would be to take it with a massive grain of salt...
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michael e
·@Archer
I am sure @Achim said hands were being made already not too long ago, although I have never heard or seen them for sale but then the 2607 serial range only goes so far and the satin black dial is meant to be a another indicator, but I have seen these on white handed watches ( or were they Ultramans with the hands changed? Who knows.
I don’t think we will see that many convincing Ultramen though. They are certainly not coming out of the woodwork very often.
I know there are more that 50, this number is seen as dealer BS. I don’t think the market will be flooded with them and hasn’t been, the serial range couldnt cope with that and how many dodgy folk will happen on one in the right serial range?
Cheers, Michael[/QUOTE]
I am sure @Achim said hands were being made already not too long ago, although I have never heard or seen them for sale but then the 2607 serial range only goes so far and the satin black dial is meant to be a another indicator, but I have seen these on white handed watches ( or were they Ultramans with the hands changed? Who knows.
I don’t think we will see that many convincing Ultramen though. They are certainly not coming out of the woodwork very often.
I know there are more that 50, this number is seen as dealer BS. I don’t think the market will be flooded with them and hasn’t been, the serial range couldnt cope with that and how many dodgy folk will happen on one in the right serial range?
Cheers, Michael[/QUOTE]
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!#Snip#
They are certainly not coming out of the woodwork very often.
I know there are more that 50, this number is seen as dealer BS. I don’t think the market will be flooded with them and hasn’t been.
Cheers, Michael
I realise you were talking about fakes Michael and I agree it doesn’t seem there are many of those about (or at least obvious fabrications) but right on cue here is another original UM found it seems this week and just as legitimate looking as any other:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/i-think-i-found-a-1967-ultraman-in-someones-sock-drawer.137594/
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