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Tonight on Antiques Roadshow - Gallet Chronograph

  1. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 16, 2022

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  2. JwRosenthal May 16, 2022

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    Amazing what having provenance can do to the importance of a watch. It goes from being a cool vintage piece to an amazing part of history
     
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  3. Dan S May 16, 2022

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    Great watch and fantastic provenance.

    I have a Flying Officer that was owned by a WWII pilot. The only problem is that he owned it in the 1960s. :(

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  4. byunjoe May 16, 2022

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    It's great to see more visibility for Gallet!
     
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  5. Radiumpassion May 17, 2022

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  7. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. May 17, 2022

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    Wow…
     
  8. Hijak May 17, 2022

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    “The sky’s the limit” says the appraiser as he struggles to put a value on it. Love that!:thumbsup:
     
  9. 140dave May 17, 2022

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    Pretty cool piece of history.
    For those who cannot use the link:

    GUEST:
    This is my grandfather's watch from World War II. My grandfather was a flight instructor for the Tuskegee Airmen during the war. The watch was given to me by my, my grandmother, his, his second wife. This was back in 2012. She was getting rid of some of his things, and I went to college for aviation and flew airplanes in, in college, and so I was very interested in, in the history of all this, and we're very proud of what he did during the war.

    APPRAISER:
    What can you tell me about the Tuskegee program?

    GUEST:
    Back during the war, African Americans were not allowed to serve in a, in a combat basis in, in a pilot setting. The program was designed and created specifically for an all-African-American group. They went down to Tuskegee and they trained, and, and my grandfather ha, happened to be one that helped teach them. From a civil rights aspect, that was a huge stepping stone in moving our country...

    APPRAISER:
    Absolutely.

    GUEST:
    ...beyond where, where it was.

    APPRAISER:
    It led to the integration in 1948 of the military.

    GUEST:
    Yeah.

    APPRAISER:
    Your grandfather, he was there at the beginning of the program, March 1941.

    GUEST:
    Hm.

    APPRAISER:
    And your grandfather was there when Eleanor Roosevelt came in the end of March. It was March 29, 1941, she came to, uh, visit the program.

    GUEST:
    Correct. From what I heard from my mother, when she had talked with him, he, he mentioned that he got to meet her when she visited the, the field.

    APPRAISER:
    She was a wonderful civil rights activist, and she took a, a special interest in the Tuskegee program. These airmen weren't allowed to go fight in war overseas.

    GUEST:
    Right.

    APPRAISER:
    And I think she was a driving factor to convince her husband, the president, to, uh, send them overseas.

    GUEST:
    Right.

    APPRAISER:
    And as we both know, the history of the Tuskegee Airmen-- they performed really well.

    GUEST:
    Mm-hmm.

    APPRAISER:
    Better than their counterparts in the, uh, in the Army Air Corps.

    GUEST:
    Right.

    APPRAISER:
    Tuskegee is known for many things. It was known for medical experiments that were, were done on African Americans. And it's, it's just a painful time in our history of this country. But that has nothing to do with this watch here.

    GUEST:
    Right.

    APPRAISER:
    You have some wonderful things here. You have his pilot's logbook, his license here. And I love the book right here. Tell me about this book.

    GUEST:
    So, this book is basically kind of, like, the yearbook of the Tuskegee Airmen. It catalogues the flight instructors at the time... APPRIASER: Hm.

    GUEST:
    ...the airmen, and it has them all listed in this. So it's, it's kind of an historical record, but you would have only received this if you would have been part of the program.

    APPRAISER:
    And here's your grandfather right here.

    GUEST:
    Yeah.

    APPRAISER:
    Now, what rank was he here? Looks like he's a lieutenant colonel here, I would say, uh, by his insignia.

    GUEST:
    Yeah, so, when he retired, he retired a lieutenant colonel. When he left the program at Tuskegee, he, uh, left as a major.

    APPRAISER:
    So let's, uh, go over your watch. It was made by the Gallet watch company. The U.S. government procured watches from different companies, and Gallet was one of them that they used, and they were issued to men in the Tuskegee program. They were known as the Red Tails. They had a red tail on the planes.

    GUEST:
    Hm.

    APPRAISER:
    They painted them red. And this particular model by collectors is referred to as a Red Tail, also. The coloration of the dial, it's, it's turned dark. It was probably much brighter, but it's all original, which, we love that. It's hard to see, but you have, uh, a world time around it. And you have the turning bezel here. Case is made in stainless steel. The bracelet, I think it's maybe been added on later. I bet it originally had a khaki-colored canvas strap, would be non-reflective...

    GUEST:
    Sure.

    APPRAISER:
    ...for in the cockpit. Do you know what your, uh, grandfather got this?

    GUEST:
    I don't. When I reached out to Gallet themselves, they said it would've been a first generation, so I would assume it would've been '41, '42 timeframe. But I don't know, honestly, for sure.

    APPRAISER:
    It's definitely an, an early example. I know you've tried to research this. There's one thing that I suggest you do that you haven't done, and that's to contact the U.S. government. The procurement offices at that time, there should be records still to this day.

    GUEST:
    Oh, wow.

    APPRAISER:
    And maybe the serial number of that watch, you can find, uh, the actual order, when they ordered it.

    GUEST:
    Okay.

    APPRAISER:
    All these things are going to help the watch. Let's talk about values on the watch. The watch by itself would bring probably around $5,000 to $7,000 in auction. With all the documentation and the Tuskegee Airmen affiliation, the sky's the limit, but I, I would say that a, an auction estimate that I would put on it preliminary would be $50,000 to $100,000.

    GUEST:
    Wow.

    APPRAISER:
    It could bring double that-- we don't, we don't know what it would bring. There's no record of another one that's been for sale. Really fabulous piece.

    GUEST:
    Wow.

    APPRAISER:
    A real important part of our history of the United States. Yeah.

    GUEST:
    Well, I appreciate it, thank you.
    -End-
     
  10. Radiumpassion May 18, 2022

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  11. Ron_W May 19, 2022

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    Awesome watch and history, thanks for posting !
     
  12. cristos71 May 19, 2022

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    Great watches the Gallet Flying Officer, has anyone got a decent screengrab of the AR watch?

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  13. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 19, 2022

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    This is about as good as one can hope for:

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  14. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. May 19, 2022

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    Was having beers, and looking at a Gallet I was interested in with a respected dealer. He had a pristine 1950s FO on his wrist. Once one sees these in the metal, tries one on, the hook is set. He found a pristine and larger 1960s white dial for me a month later. This watch is amazing. $5-7k without provenance though? Hmmm.
    Gratuitous pic of mine….
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  15. cvalue13 May 19, 2022

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    A beauty, and dibs

    Though, perhaps it’s my lack of morning coffee, I can’t quite get confident with how the 12hr bezel and world-time dial work together?
     
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  16. mzzleather May 19, 2022

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    insane triple tone dial, never really seen one like it
     
  17. cristos71 May 19, 2022

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    Way too far gone for my taste, but the historical angle is undeniable.
     
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  18. Deafboy His Holiness Puer Surdus May 19, 2022

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    Since the "sky's the limit" for this piece, does that mean that replacing the crystal would hurt its value?
     
  19. ossfm May 19, 2022

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    I saw that episode this morning while getting ready for work. That is a great story and link with the Tuskegee Airmen. Change the description to "Tropical Dial" and the sky would truly be the limit.
    Did you see the Hamilton marine chronometer earlier in the episode? That thing was gorgeous. The decoration on the plates was outstanding.