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·Nice watch............The Tokyo Olympics, however, are an unmitigated disaster.....from the weather, the lack of spectators, the amount of political controversy to general apathy.......
Tokyo Olympics Rising Sun prices
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·The watch is known as the Rising Sun because of the red bezel. Japan is known as the land of the Rising Sun. The Japanese flag (Hinomaru) is a red circle on a white background and the 'Rising Sun' watch is the only one of the series that has a red bezel. Hence it is the only one of the series that makes me think/reminds me of Japan. That is what I meant by Japanese connotations.
Yeah, that’s certainly the prevailing western/English-speaking watch collectors’ view - silly as it is.
The watch nick-name “Rising Sun” was suggested by an English-speaking watch blogger/journalist and - credit to him, I guess - it stuck, inexplicably.
As you say, the Japanese flag does have a red disk; but the current Japanese national flag is relatively unassociated with the western epithet “Land of the Rising Sun.” Instead, like the western epithet, the Japanese flag actually called the “Rising Sun Flag” is/was the flag of the Imperial Japanese Army, that particular “Rising Sun Flag” is at once maybe controversial in it’s own right (ask most Koreans, for one) and at the same time arguably antithetic to the spirit of the Olympics, wouldn't you think?
I mean, I get it - it’s a catchy nickname to westerners who use the epithet “Rising Sun” - and I’m clearly only talking to myself here, the outlier, with my above hyperbole evidence only of my self-consciousness over being the only person to think “Rising Sun” is, at best, a silly nickname.
The red Olympic ring (what the watch was actually designed after) has nothing to do with Japan; and, the western epithet “Rising Sun” is most closely associated with the Imperial Japanese Army/Flag, which seems an odd (distasteful?) subtlety to force into a nickname.
But I’m clearly theonly, stupid, person with this particular peeve (*ducks for incoming flak*).
Carry on
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·I mean, I get it - it’s a catchy nickname to westerners who use the epithet “Rising Sun” - and I’m clearly only talking to myself here, the outlier, with my above hyperbole evidence only of my self-consciousness over being the only person to think “Rising Sun” is, at best, a silly nickname.
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·+1, this set could have easily been introduced during the 2016 or 2024 Olympics and the red one could have gotten a different or not even a nickname.
Or, it could have been released during the 1972 Olympics in Germany.
Then, because of a primarily red-colored, WWII era, German wartime flag and western epithet, w3 could call the red-beveled watch “The Reich” … then when questioned, point out the red stripe in the modern German National flag.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI’m clearly only talking to myself here, the outlier, with my above hyperbole evidence only of my self-consciousness over being the only person to think “Rising Sun” is, at best, a silly nickname.
Kermit, Hulk, Batman, etc. Those are definitely NOT silly nicknames...just sayin' 😗
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JetLinks
·As wrong as it might be, I like the nickname of "Rising Sun" over "Red Ring Tokyo 2020/21".
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·Kermit, Hulk, Batman, etc. Those are definitely NOT silly nicknames...just sayin' 😗
the analogy is lost on me.
more like: Omega releases the current Snoopy to commemorate the 50th Ann of the Silver Snoopy Award, and a blogger nicknames it the “STEM is not for girls in the 70s” … but then, shockingly, the borg nod in unison saying “yes space capsules are related to STEM” 😵💫
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··Omega Qualified Watchmakerokay
Curious, what is the connection between a Rolex model and a Muppet? Or another Rolex model and a Marvel character? Or another Rolex and a DC comics caped superhero? What is the connection between a vintage Omega and a Star Wars villain? What is the connection between another vintage Omega and a religious chalice?
I would argue none of these make any sense at all, so I don't believe this one is any more of an outlier than any of the other stupid nicknames that collectors give watches. So if you are going to clean up the nicknames, I wish you luck in getting them all changed after you succeed with this one.
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I've got both the red and green (sorry for the crappy photo). I agree the Golden Jade will be the more desirable one longer term because a) in person, it looks way nicer than the red and b) is it so unique looking within the Speedmaster Pro lineup
yes my choice tends toward the green one. it is tri-color compared to the red hence more attractive.😉
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·yes my choice tends toward the green one. it is tri-color compared to the red hence more attractive.😉
+ Team Golden Jade. Not only do I think the Green version is the best one in the Tokyo Olympic Speedmaster series, it has become my favorite watch in my collection
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·Scenario A:
Step 1: Rolex releases a watch that happens to be dark blue for nothing but aesthetic reasons, with nothing about the watch or it’s coloration otherwise associated with a commemoration of pre-existing symbolic meaning.
Step 2: Fans take the dark blue color (otherwise agnostic to and not associated with any preexisting symbolism) as a blank slate basis to nickname the watch “Batman.”
Scenario B:
Step 1: Omega makes a suite of five watches purposefully made in the color of the Olympic Rings, in order to commemorate the pre-existing historic symbolism of the Olympic Rings/colors. With respect to the Olympic symbolism intended to be commemorated by the watches, red has absolutely nothing to do with Japan or even Asia, and in fact is associated with the Americas.
Step 2: western watch “journalist” reviewing the watches looks at the red color, and despite the entirely obvious zeitgeist of the 5-watch collection and all the pre-existing historical symbolism of the Olympic Rings, the “journalist” says: you know what, not only do I not know anything about the intended Olympic symbolism, the ONLY thing I know about Japan is this western epithet that is an oblique reference to the Japanese Imperial Army - but it sounds so cool to my western ears.
As a result, it’s not just that the intended historic symbolism of a commemorative watch is summarily ignored for no apparent reason, but moreover the Olympic spirit of the watch is then ham-fistedly replaced by a western epithet most historically associated with an Axis Power from WWII.
Step 1: Rolex releases a watch that happens to be dark blue for nothing but aesthetic reasons, with nothing about the watch or it’s coloration otherwise associated with a commemoration of pre-existing symbolic meaning.
Step 2: Fans take the dark blue color (otherwise agnostic to and not associated with any preexisting symbolism) as a blank slate basis to nickname the watch “Batman.”
Scenario B:
Step 1: Omega makes a suite of five watches purposefully made in the color of the Olympic Rings, in order to commemorate the pre-existing historic symbolism of the Olympic Rings/colors. With respect to the Olympic symbolism intended to be commemorated by the watches, red has absolutely nothing to do with Japan or even Asia, and in fact is associated with the Americas.
Step 2: western watch “journalist” reviewing the watches looks at the red color, and despite the entirely obvious zeitgeist of the 5-watch collection and all the pre-existing historical symbolism of the Olympic Rings, the “journalist” says: you know what, not only do I not know anything about the intended Olympic symbolism, the ONLY thing I know about Japan is this western epithet that is an oblique reference to the Japanese Imperial Army - but it sounds so cool to my western ears.
As a result, it’s not just that the intended historic symbolism of a commemorative watch is summarily ignored for no apparent reason, but moreover the Olympic spirit of the watch is then ham-fistedly replaced by a western epithet most historically associated with an Axis Power from WWII.
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AlphaToOmega
·Scenario A:
Step 1: Rolex releases a watch that happens to be dark blue for nothing but aesthetic reasons, with nothing about the watch or it’s coloration otherwise associated with a commemoration of pre-existing symbolic meaning.
Step 2: Fans take the dark blue color (otherwise agnostic to and not associated with any preexisting symbolism) as a blank slate basis to nickname the watch “Batman.”
Scenario B:
Step 1: Omega makes a suite of five watches purposefully made in the color of the Olympic Rings, in order to commemorate the pre-existing historic symbolism of the Olympic Rings/colors. With respect to the Olympic symbolism intended to be commemorated by the watches, red has absolutely nothing to do with Japan or even Asia, and in fact is associated with the Americas.
Step 2: western watch “journalist” reviewing the watches looks at the red color, and despite the entirely obvious zeitgeist of the 5-watch collection and all the pre-existing historical symbolism of the Olympic Rings, the “journalist” says: you know what, not only do I not know anything about the intended Olympic symbolism, the ONLY thing I know about Japan is this western epithet that is an oblique reference to the Japanese Imperial Army - but it sounds so cool to my western ears.
As a result, it’s not just that the intended historic symbolism of a commemorative watch is summarily ignored for no apparent reason, but moreover the Olympic spirit of the watch is then ham-fistedly replaced by a western epithet most historically associated with an Axis Power from WWII.
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·I think you might be overthinking it just a wee bit.
Did you see that I was responding to repetitive, dunce, baiting questions from Archer here?
Did you meanwhile read my original post that said/admitted as much about my original post?
Meanwhile, as for overthinking, did you miss your own original post? Seemed that was setting a baseline/welcoming other’s responsive overthinking.
If we’re calling spades a spade: Or did you think we were taking that seriously your ad hoc Chrono24 observations about a “stampede” of price increases for the watch you’re here to hope-inflate? Next you’ll be asking for watch “investment” advice 🙄
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·Did you see that I was responding to repetitive, dunce, baiting questions from Archer here?
Did you meanwhile read my original post that said/admitted as much about my original post?
Meanwhile, as for overthinking, did you miss your own original post? Seemed that was setting a baseline/welcoming other’s responsive overthinking.
If we’re calling spades a spade: Or did you think we were taking that seriously your ad hoc Chrono24 observations about a “stampede” of price increases for the watch you’re here to hope-inflate? Next you’ll be asking for watch “investment” advice 🙄
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