Thoughts on this 145.022-68st ?

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Found this beauty on c24.
The seller tells me everything is original, besides the crystal which is not an original or omega (which I could perhaps live with)
Its a privat seller, so Im just taking all the precautions I can.

Are there anything that can tell me if anything looks out of the ordinary ?

The watch comes naked.

Any input is highly appreciated.
best regards:
The speedmaster novice.

 
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Looks like a pretty good specimen at first glance. It appears original indeed. Also, the lume colour of both dial and hands are not uncommon and pleasing to the eye.

To err on the side of caution, I would like to see a high resolution image of the bottom subdial though. It appears as if the centre is very shiny and that the corresponding subdial hand is repainted (the centre looks a bit blotchy). Both could indicate that there's been an issue with oil or water ingress there. Might not be an issue, but better pictures can rule this out.
 
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Speedmaster prices are not at the top right now, so you can afford to be picky

The DON bezel is not in good shape several areas look suspicious, maybe they were touched up with black paint. For example between 75 and 80 and at 120. Lots of tiny holes around 65

Are these corrosion holes?





Pictures are not the best, not corresponding to the asking price...
 
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Speedmaster prices are not at the top right now, so you can afford to be picky

The DON bezel is not in good shape several areas look suspicious, maybe they were touched up with black paint. For example between 75 and 80 and at 120. Lots of tiny holes around 65

Are these corrosion holes?





Pictures are not the best, not corresponding to the asking price...
Appreciate the feedback !
I think its difficult finding a nice clean pre-moon with applied logo and nice even patina. Perhaps its just me.
 
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Looks like a pretty good specimen at first glance. It appears original indeed. Also, the lume colour of both dial and hands are not uncommon and pleasing to the eye.

To err on the side of caution, I would like to see a high resolution image of the bottom subdial though. It appears as if the centre is very shiny and that the corresponding subdial hand is repainted (the centre looks a bit blotchy). Both could indicate that there's been an issue with oil or water ingress there. Might not be an issue, but better pictures can rule this out.
tried zooming in - does this help ?

 
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Yeah looks like a white repaint. But depending on the asking price it’s not a big deal and can be found and replaced. .. again like said. All depends on the price and what you are looking for. To store or to wear the fun out of it.
 
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How much is it?

I'd reserve judgment until the seller provides some photos in daylight from all angles of the watch. I would also caution you not to buy with the intention of changing parts - unless you know someone with a stash of parts or you are willing to wait (years?) to find them on eBay, it's very difficult to source vintage Speedmaster parts.
 
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I would also caution you not to buy with the intention of changing parts - unless you know someone with a stash of parts or you are willing to wait (years?) to find them on eBay, it's very difficult to source vintage Speedmaster parts.
Which parts are you referring to? In my experience, it is one of the easiest references to source parts for. There are a number of sellers with an inventory of vintage Speedmaster parts, and many parts are readily available on eBay at any given time.

Also, I did not read that the OP has the intention to replace parts.
 
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How much is it?

I'd reserve judgment until the seller provides some photos in daylight from all angles of the watch. I would also caution you not to buy with the intention of changing parts - unless you know someone with a stash of parts or you are willing to wait (years?) to find them on eBay, it's very difficult to source vintage Speedmaster parts.
It'll be entirely dependant on price, the problem with these 145.022-68s is that on one hand they represent a value proposition and cheaper to maintain movement over Cal 321 Speedmasters, but then then correct bracelet for them is still fairly costly and they have a DON bezel, so a big chunk of the value in the watch is tied up in something you're going to whack into door-jams.

For this reason I would only really look for these if there is a good deal to be had, or if they were discounted due to a replacement bezel, and consider the 145.022-69 SW to be a much better value and frankly more interesting alternative, or a 145.022-71 for even less.
 
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Which parts are you referring to? In my experience, it is one of the easiest references to source parts for. There are a number of sellers with an inventory of vintage Speedmaster parts, and many parts are readily available on eBay at any given time.

Also, I did not read that the OP has the intention to replace parts.
I was just commenting on suggestion that was made to replace the hands…but also offering the OP some general advice given he sounds like he’s just entering the vintage Speedmaster world. It’s been my experience that the cosmetic parts I often come across on eBay - hands, dials, cases (even for 861 references) are not of a quality that I would jump at. But that’s just my anecdotal experience, of course yours may be different.
 
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I was just commenting on suggestion that was made to replace the hands…but also offering the OP some general advice given he sounds like he’s just entering the vintage Speedmaster world. It’s been my experience that the cosmetic parts I often come across on eBay - hands, dials, cases (even for 861 references) are not of a quality that I would jump at. But that’s just my anecdotal experience, of course yours may be different.
Agree, I usually don't buy them on eBay either.
 
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Agree, I usually don't buy them on eBay either.
With respect to Speedmaster hands, I don't even bother buying used, I tend to find it far better to:

--> Buy brand new OEM hands from Omega in either the vintage teardrop style, or the flat bottom style, full set in the sealed box.
--> Have my watchmaker knock the lume out of them
--> Have them re-painted in an appropriate shade of slightly less vibrant white
--> Have some stable tritium analog mixed up and color matched to whatever shade the tritium is on the dial
--> Apply stable tritium analog to the hands
--> Fit the brand new OEM Omega hands, aged and matched to the dial

That way I'm not worrying about loose hands falling off, tritium flaking, overpaying for bogus or refinished hands, they're refinished but at least they're genuine Omega, look perfect and won't let me down

My logic is, if the original hands aren't cutting it, any vintage hands I buy are never going to color match correctly, and if I'm going to paint the original vintage hands or buy vintage hands to paint, they're never going to be as nicely finished and fit as well as a brand new set, so if I'm repainting to get the match right, I may as well save money, get a better result and buy new OEM.
 
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With respect to Speedmaster hands, I don't even bother buying used, I tend to find it far better to….
100% this is the way to do it 👍
 
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Yeah looks like a white repaint. But depending on the asking price it’s not a big deal and can be found and replaced. .. again like said. All depends on the price and what you are looking for. To store or to wear the fun out of it.
I wanna wear it, no safe queen!
He is asking around USD 7700 for the watch.
Both I and seller is located in EU, think speedmasters are just more expensive overhere than in the US
 
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It'll be entirely dependant on price, the problem with these 145.022-68s is that on one hand they represent a value proposition and cheaper to maintain movement over Cal 321 Speedmasters, but then then correct bracelet for them is still fairly costly and they have a DON bezel, so a big chunk of the value in the watch is tied up in something you're going to whack into door-jams.

For this reason I would only really look for these if there is a good deal to be had, or if they were discounted due to a replacement bezel, and consider the 145.022-69 SW to be a much better value and frankly more interesting alternative, or a 145.022-71 for even less.
but both the 69 and 71 doesnt have the applied logo, right?
I really like that look. Also there's just something about a pre-moon speedmaster.
 
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How much is it?

I'd reserve judgment until the seller provides some photos in daylight from all angles of the watch. I would also caution you not to buy with the intention of changing parts - unless you know someone with a stash of parts or you are willing to wait (years?) to find them on eBay, it's very difficult to source vintage Speedmaster parts.
He is asking around USD 7000 (EU based) however said he was willing to cut a bit of the price. I am not looking to swap any parts. Just wanna wear and enjoy the watch
 
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Greetings, and welcome to the exciting world of Speedys!

The one that you are looking at, as mentioned by others:
You need better and more close-ups, specially of the dial (and from different angles).
You also need pictures showing the sides of the case/caseback.
The bezel is not so nice, and looks weird..
The hands on the subdials have had paint job done, and this is always a warning that there could be other things done.
Maybe not a biggy, but check it out?
Has the watch been serviced, with proof?

Have you looked this amazing website:
https://speedmaster101.com/145-022_update/

The same author (our own @Spacefruit ) has done some videos also:

Lots to learn...😉



Have you checked out the private sales here?
Here is one that got sold recently:


And the price....7 big ones is a bit steep (IMO).....
Here is from Speedmaster101´s pricechart:



Don't rush, take your time.....and feel free to ask here on the Forum!

Good luck with your Speedyhunting!
 
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Greetings, and welcome to the exciting world of Speedys!

The one that you are looking at, as mentioned by others:
You need better and more close-ups, specially of the dial (and from different angles).
You also need pictures showing the sides of the case/caseback.
The bezel is not so nice, and looks weird..
The hands on the subdials have had paint job done, and this is always a warning that there could be other things done.
Maybe not a biggy, but check it out?
Has the watch been serviced, with proof?

Have you looked this amazing website:
https://speedmaster101.com/145-022_update/

The same author (our own @Spacefruit ) has done some videos also:

Lots to learn...😉



Have you checked out the private sales here?
Here is one that got sold recently:


And the price....7 big ones is a bit steep (IMO).....
Here is from Speedmaster101´s pricechart:



Don't rush, take your time.....and feel free to ask here on the Forum!

Good luck with your Speedyhunting!
Can only support you with that, the OP one also has corrosion holes on the back as it seems...

 
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He is asking around USD 7000 (EU based) however said he was willing to cut a bit of the price. I am not looking to swap any parts. Just wanna wear and enjoy the watch
Judging only by the photos posted, I wouldn’t pay +/-$7000 USD for that watch. It just doesn’t have a strong aesthetic appeal. If this is your approximate budget, I would set my sights on a 144.022-69. Look at this watch compared to the one your posted:


This watch has strong visual appeal and a case in such nice condition that you would look at it and smile everyday. Just take your time and make sure to look at many many many (many!) watches before you decide.
 
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Can only support you with that, the OP one also has corrosion holes on the back as it seems...

Just got a few more and better pictures - indeed the bezel looks a bit rough