Thoughts on potentially new Seamasters

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I saw this Reddit post when it was first made, and was very intrigued.
It's the best kind of speculation because it stokes everybody's desires about what a refresh would look like.
Here's my take:
I doubt there will be any major case updates on the SMP line this year like almost everybody wants them to do. That's because I think this year the Planet Ocean will be updated. As someone else here said, it was last updated 9 years ago. And besides, Omega already signaled a PO refresh by releasing the world timer version, moving the date window to 6 o'clock (the PO was the last remaining watch with a window at 3).
Actually if this happens like I think, that would give us an inkling of their thought process on timing. That is, the PO got colorway refreshes both of the last 2 years (75th summer blue 2 years ago; sand, green, etc. colors last year), so if we do get a full line refresh this year, then we know a colorway with only a year to its name can be replaced and isn't meant to last longer than that.

Back to the SMP. I think the simplest answer is that Omega will milk this hype for at least 2 more years in the form of additional colorways—white dial, non-Bond-60th blue dial, etc. before moving to address all the things with a bigger update.

Only caveat / monkey wrench / wishful thinking on my part: Tudor sure is giving them a run for the money, and while Swatch is trying to elevate Longines to compete at the Tudor level, I think in the mind of consumers, many of the boxes on the "great luxury Swiss watch I can have forever and pass on and has a great heritage/reputation" list is being made by Tudor in some form. This fact may galvanize Swatch execs to act faster. Tudor is not resting on their laurels—they make a diver at nearly every conceivable size you could want now in two fairly distinct yet popular form factors: the Sub copycat (BB58/54/68/whatever) + the Pelagos (45mm, 42mm, FXD, 39mm). Both super legible, many of which now moving to in-house movements with METAS cert. Omega doesn't make a really great, beautiful, classic diver at <40mm with good proportions (PO 39.5 is too thick and squat). And Tudor is crushing the GMT market in 2 different form factors while Omega keeps pumping out 18mm thick World Timers nobody is asking for. If Tudor moves up that annual sales chart the same way Cartier did, displacing Omega, perhaps we'll see them finally address these issues once and for all…

… and just freaking reissue the 165.024 and be done with it.
 
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I saw this Reddit post when it was first made, and was very intrigued.
It's the best kind of speculation because it stokes everybody's desires about what a refresh would look like.
Here's my take:
I doubt there will be any major case updates on the SMP line this year like almost everybody wants them to do. That's because I think this year the Planet Ocean will be updated. As someone else here said, it was last updated 9 years ago. And besides, Omega already signaled a PO refresh by releasing the world timer version, moving the date window to 6 o'clock (the PO was the last remaining watch with a window at 3).
Actually if this happens like I think, that would give us an inkling of their thought process on timing. That is, the PO got colorway refreshes both of the last 2 years (75th summer blue 2 years ago; sand, green, etc. colors last year), so if we do get a full line refresh this year, then we know a colorway with only a year to its name can be replaced and isn't meant to last longer than that.

Back to the SMP. I think the simplest answer is that Omega will milk this hype for at least 2 more years in the form of additional colorways—white dial, non-Bond-60th blue dial, etc. before moving to address all the things with a bigger update.

Only caveat / monkey wrench / wishful thinking on my part: Tudor sure is giving them a run for the money, and while Swatch is trying to elevate Longines to compete at the Tudor level, I think in the mind of consumers, many of the boxes on the "great luxury Swiss watch I can have forever and pass on and has a great heritage/reputation" list is being made by Tudor in some form. This fact may galvanize Swatch execs to act faster. Tudor is not resting on their laurels—they make a diver at nearly every conceivable size you could want now in two fairly distinct yet popular form factors: the Sub copycat (BB58/54/68/whatever) + the Pelagos (45mm, 42mm, FXD, 39mm). Both super legible, many of which now moving to in-house movements with METAS cert. Omega doesn't make a really great, beautiful, classic diver at <40mm with good proportions (PO 39.5 is too thick and squat). And Tudor is crushing the GMT market in 2 different form factors while Omega keeps pumping out 18mm thick World Timers nobody is asking for. If Tudor moves up that annual sales chart the same way Cartier did, displacing Omega, perhaps we'll see them finally address these issues once and for all…

… and just freaking reissue the 165.024 and be done with it.

Re: the 165/166.024, it really is surprising they haven't done something with that design. I wonder what it would look like, though.
 
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Re: the 165/166.024, it really is surprising they haven't done something with that design. I wonder what it would look like, though.
A primary reason I bought the original Planet Ocean is because it so strongly resembles the 165.024. If Omega does do a proper reissue/remake, I'd likely sell this.

 
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A primary reason I bought the original Planet Ocean is because it so strongly resembles the 165.024. If Omega does do a proper reissue/remake, I'd likely sell this.


Lovely watch. The font, the open 6 and 9, the silver ring on bezel insert, really like this one. Before the green Seamaster came, this is the one I very much considered.
 
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Lovely watch. The font, the open 6 and 9, the silver ring on bezel insert, really like this one. Before the green Seamaster came, this is the one I very much considered.
Thanks. It was either pay $5k for a watchco build or this. I got this for half that much and I have the peace of mind of it being relatively recent and therefore more easily serviced. Also not being a weird bootleg
 
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Thanks. It was either pay $5k for a watchco build or this. I got this for half that much and I have the peace of mind of it being relatively recent and therefore more easily serviced. Also not being a weird bootleg

I got in on the WatchCo craze early, sourced my own parts, found a movement and had a 166.024 assembled. I still feel like I need a Planet Ocean.
 
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I got in on the WatchCo craze early, sourced my own parts, found a movement and had a 166.024 assembled. I still feel like I need a Planet Ocean.
I gotta hand it to Omega on the first gen Planet Ocean—they snuck sword hands in. Nobody ever mentions this, but they're there in the lume plots of both hands (just reversed). It's a great watch and not that expensive by modern standards. Got mine from Japan for like $2.8k.
 
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My point is that we define these thresholds. One person’s design language is another’s tired old feature whose time has come. 😀

Just kind of a quick thought here, the Seamaster professional is defined by the HeV, skeletonized handset, and scalloped bezel. If you change all those things you still have a Seamaster, but it isn't an SMP. That's essentially the same thing as saying that one Corvette is a Stingray and another isn't.

The other factor here is that luxury items become iconic because of how they were used, who wears them, what they appeared in, &c; and the appearance at the time they became famous is what makes them an icon. So- my summer blue heritage is absolutely a Seamaster- but it lacks the features that make my 2531 (or my Speedmaster Professional) iconic. Icons are instantly recognizable, and this.... jump that luxury items can make from being fancy to being icons is an interesting cultural phenomenon that limits just how much those objects can change.
 
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Lovely watch. The font, the open 6 and 9, the silver ring on bezel insert, really like this one. Before the green Seamaster came, this is the one I very much considered.

You know it's funny.... I was seriously considering picking up a 2201.50, but I am now looking for a green seamaster professional. weird how that works.
 
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My thoughts on this: Until a couple of months ago I was on team "meh the hands, hate the HeV, prefer edged bezels" while grudgingly respecting the SMP for managing to have achieved the iconic status it has in spite of those features.

Not sure what happened to me exactly, but I recently changed my tune pretty solidly. I picked up a 2531 and am currently considering trading my 1863 speedy for a green SMP. I've definitely become a fan (I'll have to eat some words later but I'm ok with that).


I would place a serious bet that the the things we're debating here will not change. and I hope they don't. Clearly some dial and color experimentation (which is great) is going on, and who knows what will happen to the bracelet- but I don't think the essentials of the SMP are likely to change in this decade.