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Keldaar
·If your wife is not mad, you are doing it wrong.
Thoughts and insights please
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Keldaar
·Do I perceive that Osmegahead’s “contributions” to this thread have been deleted by the moderators? Irrespective of his crass comments, I think the Omega is a pretty darn nice watch. A meaningful assessment of the watch would likely have been forthcoming had the watch been offered for sale. Unfortunately, you would need 200 posts to list it for sale here. But had this watch been offered for sale, it’s nice enough that a bunch of folks would have been all over it like a duck on a June bug,
Regarding the rubbing rotor. Is it the lighting, or is one of the two screws that hold the bridge over the auto wind mechanism, missing? If so, replacing the screw might reduce the amount of rotor rub.
So do i sell this one? Im not sure .will it fetch over $500? I cant decide if its better to keep as its not worth a ton(im assuming) or let it go for someone who may appreciate it more and use it more often
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TexOmega
·bingo
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X350 XJR
··Vintage Omega AficionadoThanks for the tip .ill look into that . Im torn whether to sell it or not .I quite like it, but its a little small for me, i seem to be developing a small chrono obsession .Ijust picked up a hamilton that i cant seem to get off my wrist, and may take the plunge on a speedmaster in the near future(im reading loads here and trying to learn before i start spending real money .
So do i sell this one? Im not sure .will it fetch over $500? I cant decide if its better to keep as its not worth a ton(im assuming) or let it go for someone who may appreciate it more and use it more often
Since it has an incorrect dial and its a gold-filled US market watch you'd be likely to get $150-175 in an open auction.
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François Pépin
·I do not think it is either. A Seamaster with a snap back without gasket is unheard of to me.
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··Oooo subtitles!While some of the the earlier contributions may have been unnecessarily rude, he did have a point in that your watch is a put together in a local plated case and not massively desirable to collectors. If you had ideas about selling it here I would rethink that pretty quickly as it ain’t for the likes of us. And anyway you would be breaking the rules.
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··Oooo subtitles!I do not think it is either. A Seamaster with a snap back without gasket is unheard of to me.
Below is snap back SM with gasket, though a later full rotor model. Pre S Freese Service, hence the grime.
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·The snap back case isn’t the issue, some late 1950s models had this with the ‘fit washer in back’ text. It is the total lack of any water proofing which is wrong. Oh and a 11.7m serial movement is very early to actually show the Seamaster text in the dial. The 1948-49 models often had no SM dial markings, that dial is wrong for the case and later.
Below is snap back SM with gasket, though a full rotor model. Pre S Freese Service, hence the grime.
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I was talking of a snap back without a gasket. If this case is like the American ones I have seen, they are not made to have a gasket. The case you showed is a completely different one.
But I guess we agree on the main issue!
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorHere are two posts asking questions about Ref. G6213:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-cal-351-bumper-gold-filled-case-11xxxxxx-serial.49953/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/evaluation-please.58292/
The watch in the above post has the same case reference and an 1179XXXX serial number. So I think the movement and case are correct.
However, I cannot find a single internet picture of this reference and what I would consider an original Omega made dial.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Omega watch G6213&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS819&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9meqtzazeAhVx0FkKHYoRBfkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=938#imgrc=_
Perhaps these dials were locally sourced of varying quality? There must be some explanation of why the dials are so bad on this particular reference.
I do not believe that this watch had a Seamaster dial when it left Omega or Normal Morris Co.'s New York workshop. It is not a water resistant case. At the time this watch was produced (circa 1949-50), Omega had not yet started putting the word "Seamaster" on the dials.
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-cal-351-bumper-gold-filled-case-11xxxxxx-serial.49953/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/evaluation-please.58292/
The watch in the above post has the same case reference and an 1179XXXX serial number. So I think the movement and case are correct.
However, I cannot find a single internet picture of this reference and what I would consider an original Omega made dial.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Omega watch G6213&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS819&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9meqtzazeAhVx0FkKHYoRBfkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=938#imgrc=_
Perhaps these dials were locally sourced of varying quality? There must be some explanation of why the dials are so bad on this particular reference.
I do not believe that this watch had a Seamaster dial when it left Omega or Normal Morris Co.'s New York workshop. It is not a water resistant case. At the time this watch was produced (circa 1949-50), Omega had not yet started putting the word "Seamaster" on the dials.
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Here are two posts asking questions about Ref. G6213:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-cal-351-bumper-gold-filled-case-11xxxxxx-serial.49953/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/evaluation-please.58292/
The watch in the above post has the same case reference and an 1179XXXX serial number. So I think the movement and case are correct.
However, I cannot find a single internet picture of this reference and what I would consider an original Omega made dial.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Omega watch G6213&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS819&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9meqtzazeAhVx0FkKHYoRBfkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=938#imgrc=_
Perhaps these dials were locally sourced of varying quality? There must be some explanation of why the dials are so bad on this particular reference.
I do not believe that this watch had a Seamaster dial when it left Omega or Normal Morris Co.'s New York workshop. It is not a water resistant case. At the time this watch was produced (circa 1949-50), Omega had not yet started putting the word "Seamaster" on the dials.
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
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Keldaar
·Here are two posts asking questions about Ref. G6213:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-cal-351-bumper-gold-filled-case-11xxxxxx-serial.49953/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/evaluation-please.58292/
The watch in the above post has the same case reference and an 1179XXXX serial number. So I think the movement and case are correct.
However, I cannot find a single internet picture of this reference and what I would consider an original Omega made dial.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Omega watch G6213&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS819&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9meqtzazeAhVx0FkKHYoRBfkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=938#imgrc=_
Perhaps these dials were locally sourced of varying quality? There must be some explanation of why the dials are so bad on this particular reference.
I do not believe that this watch had a Seamaster dial when it left Omega or Normal Morris Co.'s New York workshop. It is not a water resistant case. At the time this watch was produced (circa 1949-50), Omega had not yet started putting the word "Seamaster" on the dials.
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
would a freak of a watch that was original( although maybe Impossible to prove) not have some collector value? regardless, I got this watch for just over a hundred Canadian, and while I'm not in love with it, I do like it.
looks like it's going to be one of my freaky little keepers , or maybe a little extra trade bait for something bigger and better
thanks all for the input
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Keldaar
·also there's some 52 seamsters with this face. perhaps hot on google search for the case, but 52 Seamaster shows enough to justify the year and dial, no?
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X350 XJR
··Vintage Omega AficionadoYear and dial maybe, but the case is once again NOT a Seamaster.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorso omega database says 1952 for this reference number. the serial on the movement seems to be from 1949. from what I've read waltham, who made the case and assembled the watch in the us was struggling and trying to stay out of bankruptcy from late 40's until 58 when they finally folded their watches.
2. The "W" on the caseback has nothing to do with Waltham. The "W" stands for Wadsworth, who made watch cases for most of the US watch companies for many years. Wadsworth didn't last much past when your watch was made.
3. I think I found the answer to your dial question. Below is a page from an early 1950's US Omega Catalog that shows the Ref. G6213:
Note - No Seamaster on the dial!
Now here is another set of pages from the same catalog that reference the available Seamaster watches for that year:
Note - No Seamaster on the dial! Alsp note that the D6232 Seamaster on the far right has the exact same dial as the G6213 in the page above. Again, it was common for Omega to use the same dial for different case references at this time.
All photos as well as the rest of the catalog may be found here:
https://download1513.mediafire.com/...1955+Norman+Morris+Omega+Catalogue+Part+1.pdf
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
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Rochete
·All photos as well as the rest of the catalog may be found here:
https://download1513.mediafire.com/ham41og95nlg/wsf6kuthd3ayxb9/1955 Norman Morris Omega Catalogue Part 1.pdf
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
Wow... thank you so much for this precious document.
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mac_omega
·1. Regarding the Omega Database, please understand that they do not have full information regarding US National Production watches. They are guessing with not much more information than we have.
2. The "W" on the caseback has nothing to do with Waltham. The "W" stands for Wadsworth, who made watch cases for most of the US watch companies for many years. Wadsworth didn't last much past when your watch was made.
3. I think I found the answer to your dial question. Below is a page from an early 1950's US Omega Catalog that shows the Ref. G6213:
Note - No Seamaster on the dial!
Now here is another set of pages from the same catalog that reference the available Seamaster watches for that year:
Note - No Seamaster on the dial! Alsp note that the D6232 Seamaster on the far right has the exact same dial as the G6213 in the page above. Again, it was common for Omega to use the same dial for different case references at this time.
All photos as well as the rest of the catalog may be found here:
https://download1513.mediafire.com/ham41og95nlg/wsf6kuthd3ayxb9/1955 Norman Morris Omega Catalogue Part 1.pdf
Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
Great source! Thanks a lot for the link.
