The Unpolished-Pre-Moon-Straight-Lug-Speedy thread : Show off your facets

Posts
6,812
Likes
22,022
Absolutely correct. But I wonder where the Speedy knowledge of these forums is then?

Fair to say the best around, albeit not perfect?
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
Fair to say the best around, albeit not perfect?

Who needs perfection anyway? Fairness is everything that counts.
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
In MWO they have a picture of the Omega reference card for the 2915-1. That has no bevels as far as I can say. Maybe the 105.003-65 theory holds water? Would make sense to have earlier references refinished to a similar look from then on? Maybe Omega still holds the reference cards for later models to (dis)prove the theory - anybody close in CH willing to have a check?
 
Posts
9,956
Likes
15,634
In MWO they have a picture of the Omega reference card for the 2915-1. That has no bevels as far as I can say. Maybe the 105.003-65 theory holds water? Would make sense to have earlier references refinished to a similar look from then on? Maybe Omega still holds the reference cards for later models to (dis)prove the theory - anybody close in CH willing to have a check?
You mentioned you have 6 straight lug models. It sounds like something may be gained by looking closer at these. How about posting some close ups of the lugs with an indication of which model they are.
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
OK, here you go, pics from my phone, can't be bothered to set up the proper camera tonight....
Straightlugs new & old:

2915-1:

2998-1:

More to follow, can't upload more than three pics at a time :-(
Edited:
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
105-002:

105.003-65 (1):

105.003-65 (2):

Another 2915-1:

Yes, this one is a Franken.
Hope this helps!
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
So all of these have definitely been polished at some point or another, many a lot - so wouldn't want to make a call on facets based on mine.
 
Posts
9,956
Likes
15,634
It's good of you to take the time to do that, nice collection!

The 2915s do look to have a pretty abrupt lug edge (ie no facet) but on the 2998 and most of the later models I would say there is a pretty strong indication of a facet there, rather than a curve or sharp edge. Look at how angular the profile of the lug end looks. We may well be singing from the same sheet and just describing things differently. I still think the 2998 onwards had a defined facet, and poss the 2915 too if we could find one in good enough nick.
Edited:
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
Would definitely disagree on the 2915 at least as the book shows no facet (photo from MWO, please delete, if that is an issue). 2998 probably, too, as the case didn’t change much afaik. 105.003 I really can’t say.
 
Posts
9,956
Likes
15,634
Would definitely disagree on the 2915 at least as the book shows no facet (photo from MWO, please delete, if that is an issue). 2998 probably, too, as the case didn’t change much afaik. 105.003 I really can’t say.

You are clearly viewing it differently to me as I see what I think is a pretty well defined facet there.

That said, here is an article on the Bukowski 2915 sold last year. This seems to have a curved side with upper edge only, or possibly a very small facet. like I say I am not really too concerned with that model as it is outside my province :

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/omega-speedmaster-new-record-bukowskis-sweden
Edited:
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
You are clearly viewing it differently to me as I see what I think is a pretty well defined facet there.

That said, here is an article on the Bukowski 29915 sold last year. This seems to have a curved side with upper edge only, or possibly a very small facet. like I say I am not really too concerned with that model as it is outside my province :

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/omega-speedmaster-new-record-bukowskis-sweden

For reference, here is a 'well defined' facet on a 2915 sold at Christie's. As 'genuine' as the vertical brush on the lug front:

Edit: This is a bad example of a refinished case IMO.

33aef6afa7d3217254996406038111ec.jpg
Edited:
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
This is a very interesting thread about straight lug Speedmasters and maybe the chance to get answers to questions that are obviously still open.

The only thing I don't understand is why all the other true Speedy experts here don't join in the discussion?
Edited:
 
Posts
511
Likes
878
You are clearly viewing it differently to me as I see what I think is a pretty well defined facet there.

That said, here is an article on the Bukowski 2915 sold last year. This seems to have a curved side with upper edge only, or possibly a very small facet. like I say I am not really too concerned with that model as it is outside my province :

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/omega-speedmaster-new-record-bukowskis-sweden
Are you talking about the transition to the vertical bit? Yes, that is there and sharp. But no second plane there as far as I can see.
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
OK, here you go, pics from my phone, can't be bothered to set up the proper camera tonight....
Straightlugs new & old:

2915-1:

2998-1:

More to follow, can't upload more than three pics at a time :-(

Beautiful collection... And writing this it comes again - this earworm... 'You are all I long for all I worship and adore' 😀
 
Posts
2,051
Likes
10,667
For reference, here is a well defined facet on a 2915 sold at Christie's. As genuine as the vertical brush on the lug front:

33aef6afa7d3217254996406038111ec.jpg

Isn't this the 2915 from the Christie's 50 auction where there was lots of discussion whether the case had been refinished?
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
Isn't this the 2915 from the Christie's 50 auction where there was lots of discussion whether the case had been refinished?

Yes. It is a picture of this 137k watch. And I was posting it because we were discussing the facets, not meaning the case is correct, but the opposite.
 
Posts
2,051
Likes
10,667
Yes. It is a picture of this 137k watch. And I was posting it because we were discussing the facets, not meaning the case is correct, but the opposite.

Okay then. I read your comment as speaking to the originality of the case which was in question during the auction.
 
Posts
2,086
Likes
2,897
Okay then. I read your comment as speaking to the originality of the case which was in question during the auction.

Sorry if I didn't say it clear enough: This case was badly refinished IMHO and I was referring to @padders previous post.