The Ploprof 600 ... a collectors guide ...

igloe · May 6, 2018

Thx guys for the new research and the Internetpage about that watch. I do love the book of Jon Wallis, but the new findouts are just amazing and that watch did deserve the deepdive into its history. I love the Ploprof, it’s big and not really a beauty, but it is so special and on the wrist it is more comfortable than a lot of smaller watches.

fireplace · May 6, 2018

Bill Sohne
Hi

Hi

The site technically looks nice and proper....

I just had a issue with the way the author conducted himself here.

enjoy the site.

Bill

Ok didn’t quite get your point I thought the site was off but it’s the guy you didn’t like ,sorry about that , it was a bit confusing because I read his Megaquartz thing which was great and I loved his holy grail work which seems very unbelievably detailed
I haven’t got round to that other one he did on the 1000 the grand yet because I have never seen one of these but I have been collecting for 30 years and I thought he really knows his stuff

So once agin thx for the clear up

dialstatic · May 6, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
but in general it should be D1 +B1 = MK1 as usual

Thanks. That’s what I initially figured, but to me it didn’t quite add up (e.g. the price list goes up all the way to Mark 4, but then there’s only 2 bezels listed but 5 dials; Case 3 is listed as beloning to Mark 1 and 2; etc.)

In any case, I’m sure the book will clear it up. I’m just being impatient again 😀

Bill Sohne · May 6, 2018

F fireplace
Ok didn’t quite get your point I thought the site was off but it’s the guy you didn’t like ,sorry about that , it was a bit confusing because I read his Megaquartz thing which was great and I loved his holy grail work which seems very unbelievably detailed
I haven’t got round to that other one he did on the 1000 the grand yet because I have never seen one of these but I have been collecting for 30 years and I thought he really knows his stuff

So once agin thx for the clear up

Hi @fireplace

It is not that I liked him or not, I have not even met the gentleman in person. It is just the way he conducted himself on the forum to be in poor form.

His sites look nice.

It is that simple.

Good Hunting

Bill...

Vintagewtchzilla · May 7, 2018

here is a exaple what to avoid
- upside down case (wrong)
- perfect color match hand,bezel,dial in a color never seen
- best thing is .... it is a LUMINOVA service dial !!! so obviosly repainted/refinishied
- no serial number given
- mesh bracelet is not the original

m84 · May 7, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
here is a exaple what to avoid
- upside down case (wrong)
- perfect color match hand,bezel,dial in a color never seen
- best thing is .... it is a LUMINOVA service dial !!! so obviosly repainted/refinishied
- no serial number given
- mesh bracelet is not the original

Hi, this is prob a n00b question but how can we tell this upside down case is 'wrong' from that picture alone? I understand with all the components out, the inside stamp should be pointed correctly but here...?

Thanks in advance,

Foo2rama · May 7, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
here is a exaple what to avoid
- upside down case (wrong)
- perfect color match hand,bezel,dial in a color never seen
- best thing is .... it is a LUMINOVA service dial !!! so obviosly repainted/refinishied
- no serial number given
- mesh bracelet is not the original

m84
Hi, this is prob a n00b question but how can we tell this upside down case is 'wrong' from that picture alone? I understand with all the components out, the inside stamp should be pointed correctly but here...?

Thanks in advance,

There is nothing wrong with an inverted Plo Prof. The dial is easy to flip and all it needs is the replacement date wheel an Omega part number. The other major plo prof thread shows why you need a new date wheel when you do this thanks @Archer .

The only question on these is if they left the factory or not like this. Or if they where special order availability from the factory. It is common and does not affect the watch value in any way. Many where converted using the factory part created for this reason. There is at least one with the case stamp inverted also but it’s unclear if this denotes a factory inversion or not.

Vintagewtchzilla · May 7, 2018

@m84 and @Foo2rama
that why i said wrong (not a dealbreaker)
the more disturbing thing is that smartass dealers colormatch luminova and tell its original and a nice example :whipped:

@Foo2rama you are absolutly right 👍 it doesn't affect the watch at all. only the date wheel needs to be changed.
meanwhile we know that a very few prototypes left the factory as right handed version, but regular production was left handed.

the most important thing to know on a ploprof600 is the serial number to see how the original config looked like.

m84 · May 8, 2018

@Vintagewtchzilla @Foo2rama Thanks for the input gents!

I did know about the date wheel change for the right hand configuration, I just thought that the 'upside down case (wrong)' comment in the example above meant it was a messed up configuration that didn't exist or something like that. And since I already knew there were some right handed cases, I was wondering if i was missing something on that example. 👍

@Vintagewtchzilla yeah that 'aged' luminova on a service dial passed as original is ridiculous! 😝

Cheers,
Lou

DrStrong · May 13, 2018

Funny, some years ago I bought the Rolex Sea Dweller Comex from the JANUS II diver on this picture.

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He litteraly hated his Ploprof and left it at Comex when he retired.

I also bought from him a nice Omega with "COMEX JANUS II -253m" engraved on the back

fireplace · May 13, 2018

DrStrong
Funny, some years ago I bought the Rolex Sea Dweller Comex from the JANUS II diver on this picture.

‘’He litteraly hated his Ploprof and left it at Comex when he retired.’’

I also bought from him a nice Omega with "COMEX JANUS II -253m" engraved on the back

Bit of a strange assertion about him ‘literally’ hating his Seamaster 600 when he’s agreed to wear it in the advert ??
Also something not quite right about him leaving it at Comex when he retired ..... did you actually speak to him about this as the watches were never owned by the divers in the first place they were given to Comex to test and to report on

The best example of this Is the fantastic prototype in Tsolo ‘s site owned by merlin on instagram who has the documentation from Comex and Mrs Delauxe [hope I spelled that right ] the widow of the former owner of Comex gifting this incredible example to its current owner

Although coming from a Rolex forum moderator I suppose we have to allow you to have a little bit of shall we say poetic license

I think it’s also fair to say that vintagewatchzilla[I think I spelled that right ] has given you a bit of a dressing down on instagram by correcting you in trying to tell collectors that you own a mark 1 which you picture when in fact it’s a mark 3

There is also some strange thing going on with another one of your instagram Watches which is very similar to the one that Christie’s had to do a retraction on for Monday

Sorry I have no particular part in this but respectfully I do like the Ploprof and in fairness you should really be a bit more transparent before you come on an Omega forum and try to trash an omega watch ,it was bad enough Tsolo calling it a poseurs watch but at least he respected it enough to assist in its identification along with the watchzilla guy ..but a Rolex guy ...not good form

Bill Sohne · May 13, 2018

Hi @fireplace

Welcome to the forum.

@DrStrong , does not have a reason to trash any watch. He just recounted a conversation he had with someone he bought watches from.

Your comment about the diver agreeing to wear it in an advert..... Not sure he had any say in it . They look to be just work product photos for either internal reports and maybe later reused for press etc...... who knows what they were they told during process and they could have sign away rights as part of his work contract or agreement.

Just to be transparent , I know @DrStrong when I was a moderator at PuristsPro for the Omega forum. He was always level headed in any communication I have had with him. @fireplace I wanted to share with you my experience with him. I am not really seeing anyone trashing Omega ... maybe I missed something.

I agree with you on the 600. I also agree with you that the 600 is not poseurs watch. What I disagree with you on is giving a pass to Tsolo on his past actions on this forum, due to his work. I even tried to reach out to him via pm for weeks with no response.

Frankly his attitude and interactions with some of the forum members is disappointing.

Enjoy the forum.

Best regards
Bill Sohne

Vintagewtchzilla · May 14, 2018

Hi and good morning from Geneva writing on my mobile 😀

@DrStrong @fireplace @Bill Sohne

I don’t think Jeff is trying to bash something. I would love to talk about his watches and see the story behind.

The watch at christies today is questionable , only prototype part is the movement as all other parts are later.

@Bill Sohne i would be happy if i can get u back in touch with him or if we can have a chat. Drop me a pm here or instagram if u like.

But in general we are talking about watches and their history and not people so enjoy whatever u have on your wrist right now. We are one big nerd family 👍

DrStrong · May 14, 2018

F fireplace
Bit of a strange assertion about him ‘literally’ hating his Seamaster 600 when he’s agreed to wear it in the advert ??
Also something not quite right about him leaving it at Comex when he retired ..... did you actually speak to him about this as the watches were never owned by the divers in the first place they were given to Comex to test and to report on

Of course I have spoken with him, what do you think ? He told me that the Comex divers all wanted Rolex watches, as they said the Ploprof "just never worked properly"...LOL !

I personnaly love the Ploprof (just check my articles on the PuristSPro Omega forum in case you doubt it), but apparently the Comex guys were not convinced. Indeed the partnership with Omega quickly ended (only a few prototypes were used), while it lasted for many years with Rolex and several thousand watches. I am not trashing anything (I love Omega as much as Rolex), just stating the facts.

F fireplace
I think it’s also fair to say that vintagewatchzilla[I think I spelled that right ] has given you a bit of a dressing down on instagram by correcting you in trying to tell collectors that you own a mark 1 which you picture when in fact it’s a mark 3

Concerning my watch, I am just using the current dial designation (the one used by collectors for the past 15 years) until I am convinced that the one we call mark1 is in fact D3. I personally don't care if my watch has a dial called mk1 or D3, it does make any difference to me. But I need to be convinced by facts and not people yelling at me on Instagram. I have been doing research and writing articles on forum for the past 20 years and I have never tried to force anyone to use a specific name or I have never told anyone he was "wrong". I don't like these manners.

F fireplace
There is also some strange thing going on with another one of your instagram Watches which is very similar to the one that Christie’s had to do a retraction on for Monday

Sorry I have no particular part in this but respectfully I do like the Ploprof and in fairness you should really be a bit more transparent before you come on an Omega forum and try to trash an omega watch ,it was bad enough Tsolo calling it a poseurs watch but at least he respected it enough to assist in its identification along with the watchzilla guy ..but a Rolex guy ...not good form

I don't understand what you call a 'strange thing', not aware of any Chrisites affair....probably too complicated for a Rolex guy to understand ;-)

Vintagewtchzilla · May 14, 2018

@DrStrong i was definitely not yelling 😎 nowhere.
The research done is in very close partnership with the heritage team of omega ... just to say.

DrStrong · May 14, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
Hi and good morning from Geneva writing on my mobile 😀

The watch at christies today is sorry to say bs, only prototype part is the movement as all other parts are later.

But in general we are talking about watches and their history and not people so enjoy whatever u have on your wrist right now. We are one big nerd family 👍

Very interesting, do you have a picture of the inside case of that watch ? What makes it "bs" for you ?

I just saw in on the Christie's website, I think the watch was posted here by an italian collector last year.

Why does the Museum extact say it's a Prototype if it's not one ? Are these people not supposed to know better than any of us ?

That's a lot of questions, but it's a really interesting topic I think.

Vintagewtchzilla · May 14, 2018

DrStrong
Very interesting, do you have a picture of the inside case of that watch ? What makes it "bs" for you ?

I just saw in on the Christie's website, I think the watch was posted here by an italian collector last year.

Why does the Museum extact say it's a Prototype if it's not one ? Are these people not supposed to know better than any of us ?

That's a lot of questions, but it's a really interesting topic I think.

The movement might be a proto
Case is c-shape so too late for proto
Dial is also too late for proto

The extract is two years old so it is based on the old info. Also to issue an extract you only need to put movement number ...

DrStrong · May 14, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
The movement might be a proto
Case is c-shape so too late for proto
Dial is also too late for proto

The extract is two years old so it is based on the old info. Also to issue an extract you only need to put movement number ...

I am not sure about the dial...unless you expect a mk0...but that's another story 😀 and even a proto with a dial changed at service would remain a proto imho.

More than any others, these watches were used under very sever conditions and serviced on a regular basis. So even a later (service ?) case would not really surpise me. That would explain the lack of any engraving on the outside caseback.

Vintagewtchzilla · May 14, 2018

DrStrong
I am not sure about the dial...unless you expect a mk0...but that's another story 😀 and even a proto with a dial changed at service would remain a proto imho.

More than any others, these watches were used under very sever conditions and serviced on a regular basis. So even a later (service ?) case would not really surpise me. That would explain the lack of any engraving on the outside caseback.

Ok if i buy a car brand x
I remove everything and just keep the engine and build a new car with other parts out of it. Is it still a brand x car ?

I don’t understand that sometimes there is a two way judging. E.g later bezel or hand gives some a heart attack.

Here we talk about a questionable proto who fails in 3 of 4 points

DrStrong · May 14, 2018

Vintagewtchzilla
Ok if i buy a car brand x
I remove everything and just keep the engine and build a new car with other parts out of it. Is it still a brand x car ?

I don’t understand that sometimes there is a two way judging. E.g later bezel or hand gives some a heart attack.

Here we talk about a questionable proto who fails in 3 of 4 points

I only disagree on the word 'bs', that somehow means it's a Frankenwatch rebuilt later on purpose.

I'm only saying that we can expect to find many non original parts on these very early ploprofs, for reasons that make sense.

If the watch has a service case, of course we can ask ourselves if it's still the 'original watch' that we are talking about.

I would agree with you to say it's not.

The Ploprof 600 ... a collectors guide ...

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