The future of Omega vs. Rolex

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It's not like the rivalry between Mercedes and BMW where car owners are usually diehard fans of either brand but will not own both.
Very few people can afford to own both. With watches, more people can and do have at least one of a number of brands.
Wasn't Longines as well regarded as Omega back in the day and better regarded than Rolex?
Depended on which day.

Also, Longines and Omega were competitors and not owned by the same company back then.
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From what I’ve read and understand, and in the defence of Rolex, it seems that they are 1) either purposefully limiting supply or 2) literally cannot make enough watches. I’d wager the real situation is somewhere in the middle, as they can see that this drives up the perceived value of their watches (if they are harder to buy).

I just think that it’ll get to the stage within a few years where people get fed up of paying 2 or even 3x retail for watches which are just not worth that price, when for less than the price of full retail let’s say for a Submariner (RRP ~£7500) you can get a Speedmaster Professional for around £6500, and not wait at all for the privilege.

Rolex Do Not limit supply, they make just under a million watches per year and sell every one, they are the biggest luxury watchmaker by a country mile.

The simple fact is that there are more people trying to buy a Rolex than there are watches available for the people to buy. As a result the AD's have had a field day over the last few years getting people to jump through hoops to get on a waiting list (if such a thing exists) and then having to wait months or even years to get the watch they want.

Has this deterred people from wanting a Rolex? No.

Rolex and value of a Rolex, the value of a Rolex watch to Rolex is the price that it is marketed at and sold for at the AD's, that's it. If some poor fool wants to pay x2 or x3 or more for a Rolex watch that is secondhand then that is of no concern to Rolex. We choose how we spend our money, if we are happy to spend £40k on a SS Daytona with a white dial then that's fine, no one is forcing anyone to spend these large sums on a watch, it is our choice.

As for waiting for a watch, the longest wait I have had for a watch was the 4 months from Omega announcing the white dial SMP when I placed a deposit, and then seeing it in the flesh at which point I realised that I didn't like it so didn't buy. On the Rolex side my Submariner (latest version) took under 3 weeks from me asking for it to going to the AD and picking it up, yes I was shocked as well, especially as it was the the month the watch was launched.

One final point, sometimes you want something and only that something will do, a substitute is not going to be accepted, this applies very much too Rolex.
 
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Has this deterred people from wanting a Rolex? No.

Actually, I've seen a fair number of people on forums saying they are done with the brand due to the current strategy. Maybe they will come back now that prices are falling, and availability is likely to go up (already some signs of people getting watches quicker from AD's as the grey market buyers are not buying them up as they once were), but that remains to be seen.
 
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Actually, I've seen a fair number of people on forums saying they are done with the brand due to the current strategy. Maybe they will come back now that prices are falling, and availability is likely to go up (already some signs of people getting watches quicker from AD's as the grey market buyers are not buying them up as they once were), but that remains to be seen.

To be fair there will always be some who say they're done with Rolex, I'm one of them, but only because I have moved house. As a result my old AD isn't keen on letting me have watches when they know that I'm not going to be dropping in to buy other stuff, my new AD made it quite clear that my previous spend counts for nothing with them so I have to show my intent and pick up other stuff if I want another Rolex. With the Mrs content with what she has and I am happy with my Sub and DJ there isn't much else I want from Rolex so in many ways the move has helped.
 
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The thing about Rolex that always fascinates me is the willingness of buyers to get in a very long line to pay, and I would say significantly overpay, for a mass produced mid-tier luxury watch. Rolex makes a nice watch, but Patek, AP, VC and JLC they are not. Based on the demand, one would think that each Rolex is hand assembled by watchmaking elves - and certified Swiss elves at that. Just goes to prove the power of effective marketing, I suppose.
 
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The thing about Rolex that always fascinates me is the willingness of buyers to get in a very long line to pay, and I would say significantly overpay, for a mass produced mid-tier luxury watch. Rolex makes a nice watch, but Patek, AP, VC and JLC they are not. Based on the demand, one would think that each Rolex is hand assembled by watchmaking elves - and certified Swiss elves at that. Just goes to prove the power of effective marketing, I suppose.

You're absolutely right Rolex are not up there with the brands you mention and you could add a couple more, ALS and FPJ, to that list. But they have been marketed very well, they are an aspirational brand, they signify success. I would happily sell my two Rolex for a VC Overseas and may do just that at some point. But you cannot hide from the fact that the brand Rolex is hugely successful, it is known around the globe and by many 10's of millions of people, other than PP the AP, JLC, VC, ALS and FPJ brands wouldn't be know outside of the watch enthusiast.
 
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You're absolutely right Rolex are not up there with the brands you mention and you could add a couple more, ALS and FPJ, to that list. But they have been marketed very well, they are an aspirational brand, they signify success. I would happily sell my two Rolex for a VC Overseas and may do just that at some point. But you cannot hide from the fact that the brand Rolex is hugely successful, it is known around the globe and by many 10's of millions of people, other than PP the AP, JLC, VC, ALS and FPJ brands wouldn't be know outside of the watch enthusiast.
No argument as to the success of the brand.
 
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You're absolutely right Rolex are not up there with the brands you mention and you could add a couple more, ALS and FPJ, to that list. But they have been marketed very well, they are an aspirational brand, they signify success. I would happily sell my two Rolex for a VC Overseas and may do just that at some point. But you cannot hide from the fact that the brand Rolex is hugely successful, it is known around the globe and by many 10's of millions of people, other than PP the AP, JLC, VC, ALS and FPJ brands wouldn't be know outside of the watch enthusiast.

Yes, it's an ultra exclusive expensive luxury watch...for the masses...
 
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Not looking to start an Omega vs. Rolex flame war. That's been done numerous times on this and many other watch forums. We all know that at one time before the quartz crisis, Omega enjoyed a reputation as the undisputed leader of mass produced high end Swiss watches and that Rolex played second fiddle. You'll note that I intentionally use the term "mass produced" and do not use the term "luxury watch" as I believe that Omega and Rolex are the former and not the latter, then or now. We also know that the modern day Rolex marketing machine -- artificial scarcity and all -- is second to none. The question is this: given Omega's resurgence, innovation and the quality of the product that they're delivering these days, is it possible that Omega will overtake Rolex in terms of its reputation among the general consumer? I would argue that among "watch nerds" and horologists that Omega is already there and continues to innovate at a clip that exceeds Rolex's play it safe glacial pace. That being said, is technical prowess, attractive styling and superior value enough for Omega to recapture the hearts and minds of the general watch buying public or is Rolex always going to be the watch to buy for those with money, most of whom don't know much about watches?

I believe Rolex due to their insane marketing budget and sponsorships over decades will always be the number one recognized watch to be associated with in terms of "I have money".
 
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Yes, it's an ultra exclusive expensive luxury watch...for the masses...

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