The future of Omega vs. Rolex

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Today, the Rolex Oyster Perpetual Sir Edmund Hillary wore to the summit of Mount Everest can be viewed on display in a Zürich museum. The Smiths De Luxe worn by Hillary is on display at the Clockmaker’s Company Museum in London, England.

When Hillary reached the summit of Everest in 1953, he did so carrying Smiths instruments and, by his own admission, a Smiths De Luxe watch.😗

If I have this right, some, of the team were wearing Rolex but not Hillary or Tenzing, which is why Rolex hasn’t used used first to the summit of Everest in its marketing blurb, whereas going to the deepest part of the ocean is a prize well documented.

Still some way to go to offset walking on the moon 😗
 
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The 1953 British Mount Everest expedition fascinated me since childhood and as a young adult, I visited the RGS - Royal Geographical Society to learn more about this adventure lead by Army Colonel Sir John Hunt... they have an amazing collection of photographs!
For watch-enthusiasts a bit frustrating as most photographs don't show wristwatches in detail... I like the recent Smiths Navigator re-issues though (an hommage to the Mark 11 for the British military) !
Visit the RGS website, which has a nice photo-library from which prints up to A3 size can be purchased...
Hans Wilsdorf's phrase... From the bottom of the Sea to the Top of the World comes to mind 😉
Nowadays Omega also delivers information on scientific expeditions, such as the 1968 Plaisted Polar Expedition (Moonwatch Only pages 532 - 535) and the recent June 7, 2020 " Limiting Factor " dives into the Mariana Trench...
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While Edmund Hillary did, in fact, take his Rolex Oyster Perpetual during the 1953 expedition, it has been verified with various sources, including an account from the man himself, that he left his Rolex back at the base camp before making his ascent up the final stretch. So, no, Rolex made it close to the summit, but not on it. And yes, to reiterate, that honour belongs to Smiths.

However, the Smiths watch was a personal possession of Hillary, and compared to the widely publicised relationship of Rolex - an official sponsor - and the Everest expeditions, Smiths was largely forgettable. Even with their advertisement bearing an endorsement from Hillary, it was quickly piled under a series of extremely clever campaigns by Rolex.
 
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While Edmund Hillary did, in fact, take his Rolex Oyster Perpetual during the 1953 expedition, it has been verified with various sources, including an account from the man himself, that he left his Rolex back at the base camp before making his ascent up the final stretch. So, no, Rolex made it close to the summit, but not on it. And yes, to reiterate, that honour belongs to Smiths.

However, the Smiths watch was a personal possession of Hillary, and compared to the widely publicised relationship of Rolex - an official sponsor - and the Everest expeditions, Smiths was largely forgettable. Even with their advertisement bearing an endorsement from Hillary, it was quickly piled under a series of extremely clever campaigns by Rolex.

Rolex, the masters of marketing, product placement and self promotion, there's no arguing they are bloody good at it.
 
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Rolex' leadership advertising campaign used some interesting photographs... and by the end of this decade we'll see some important 75th anniversaries of their mid-1950s watches... Hoping I'll be still around 2028-ish
 
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It may be hard to believe but it’s true and not unique to me as many waiters made between 85 and 145g bartenders on the higher end specially if they took the Hamptons summer tours. What was then called captains in high end restaurants working with Dennis Foy, Daniel Orr, Daniel Boulud or Jean Georges... all chefs I have worked with. It was a living, for sure. One year I was actually the third highest single tip winner in NYC according to the NYT. A single tip that was about 300% of the check. It sounds even better when i give you the dollar amount. Check was 3000, tip was 9000. That’s on a single table one night at a Terence Conrad restaurant. The best tip that year went to a captain for Boulud who got 15g I believe on Xmas Of the 9g my take was 6g. To qualify it had to be a dinner on a single table and no pre arranged event. I even got selected to captain the British Royal family and a few other dignitaries on occasion. ( the restaurant was not far from the UN.) the 90’s where good for the food and bar industry in NYC. Funny thing is being a waiter, as good as I was at it, was then my plan B job as I was majoring on fine arts.

edit: just did a quick search. It looks like it’s about the same still which is surprising seeing the difference in the economy of the 90’s
Incredible, seems you were at the right time right place to pay your way through college (don't think a lot of students are in such a position) and have a lot of memorable moments because of that job.
 
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Incredible, seems you were at the right time right place to pay your way through college (don't think a lot of students are in such a position) and have a lot of memorable moments because of that job.
I do.... it is loooooong hours on your feet though. Bartending and waiting tables is strangely addicting but it’s definitely a young man/women’s job. But many get trapped on it and end up being too old to do anything else before they unplug. Same as being a bellman or doorman in Manhattan. Those guys make a lot of
Money and are mostly in it for life.
 
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Rolex has far more brand awareness with the general public... most people still associate Rolex with adventure and the brand is active at the most unexpected places. (e.g. Italian mountaineer/explorer Guido Monzino was a huge fan of Rolex and wore these during his expeditions. In his former home, Rolex restored an old 1880s clock which is on display and admired by hundreds of tourists).
Edit: book = Monzino, the last master of Balbianello & his twenty-one expeditions
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I have owned two Rolex`s and I dearly loved them at the time, circumstances beyond my control meant I had to sell them along with a couple of omega`s.

I always preferred my Omega`s as I can wear them anywhere with out any problem, sadly this was not always the case with my Rolex`s. I made the mistake of taking my Pepsi GMT II to Italy several years ago and every beggar on the street would spot it, even when I was eating at a restaurant. My Submariner "Kermit" would often be suggested as a fake by people that didn't know me that well. It got to the point that I rarely wore them and I doubt I will replace them ever now.
 
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Do you think in 20-30 years time that analogue watches will still be as sought after by the masses? If i look at my kids and all the kids they mix with non of them have analogue, they all have digital or fitness watches and they all aspire to an Apple watch! I wonder if this powerful marketing by the current traditional watch brands can really turn the digital generation into users and collectors in the future... just throwing that out there 😀

Interesting view point but I believe that some of the younger generation may be drawn into it as luxury mysticism will remain for many. Watches are also seen as men’s jewellery.
 
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Must be a Aussie thing 😎
Well I must be unusual because I dive with all my dive watches, dived with a Rolex sub when I had one, swim with a Speedmaster nowadays.
Wear a New Speedmaster day In day out climbing over vessels, oil rigs, and big machinery all day.

Ask @dsio about his brothers Daytona
https://omegaforums.net/threads/rolex-ss-daytona-after-7-years.1720/
( make sure you read the whole thread as it goes to the next service after the first one )

Same here, I work in oil & gas around the world and my watches went everywhere… went around the globe a few times. I wear one each day. I travel with two watches.
 
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Where can I send my job application to make €6k nett or more a month?
I'm happy to spend 3 or 4 months wages on a watch but that needs to be money on top off a minimum savings threshold.

I have never spent a month wages on a watch as my monthly wages as an independent could give a false impression because its high but I also must build up substantial savings and investments for my retirement…
 
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My 30 year old daughter wears an Apple watch. Much to my surprise, a few months ago she asked me point blank what would happen to my Omega collection after I have departed the Earth. I told her that the collection would go to her and that it would be her choice to sell them or keep them. She said "Dad, you've been wearing that one watch (1976 Speedy Pro) since before I was born. I would never sell it. And I really like those two really old watches (1962 and 1964 Constellations) that you have too - and those will fit me!" I think that the younger generation likes their Apple watches, but also realizes that they'll be in landfills in a few years.

Exactly ! Apple as well as other connected smart watches are fantastic because of their multiple functions but these will inevitably end up in landfills at some point or another unless these are recyclable…
 
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I guess that depends on the person indeed. If buying a $6K Omega is a large part of one’s savings, apart from maybe not being the most savvy financial decision, this person may treat the watch with upmost respect, almost as a museum piece.
If the watch is worth 1-2 months salary, then one may choose to use it as a tool a bit more and dive / swim / go to the beach with it. After all, a sub or seamaster is built to last and survive rough environment, and still tick after a lifetime.

I wonder if the young generation will easily accept the high purchase price & high service costs of a traditional watch vs the cost of a smart watch… Now, the traditional watch remains luxury hence its higher costs but it does much less than the smart watch…
 
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Rolex owners aren't the only ones not as well versed in watch lingo as the typical WIS. Many objects for purchase have functionality beyond the comprehension and awareness of a typical user. My neighbor works in IT for the local university, whenever I mention a computer issue to him, he'll ask what model I have and what processor, RAM, etc it has. I have no clue... I saw a laptop at the store, and I bought it. I'm not an IT pro, not interested in computers like some are. Doesn't mean I shouldn't own them if I can afford them...


First thread I started some years ago...

I love his response which makes me think about the famous James Bond dialogue… “No. It’s an Omega”.
 
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I wonder if the young generation will easily accept the high purchase price & high service costs of a traditional watch vs the cost of a smart watch… Now, the traditional watch remains luxury hence its higher costs but it does much less than the smart watch…
Excellent point, but can Apple make a smart watch that looks like this? Yes, given time they probably can. 🙁
 
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Many generations on here, and many walks of life.
Here you could be talking to someone young with a family and a mortgage or someone 50 without a mortgage with a high paying job. At different stages of life many do or don’t have disposable income.
In Australia and some countries your superannuation comes out of your wages so you don’t have to save for retirement as much as others In countries that don’t have the same system.

So for some a new watch is saving for months and others it’s a swipe of a card. 😉


As a student in Paris during the 80ies I wanted a gold & steel square Cartier Santos. I studied most of the time but also had various jobs which proceeds when directly into the stock exchange. This allowed me to buy my watch as well as my 1969 TR6 PI, garage rent, insurance, fuel, etc… So I surmise that if it was possible then, it’s possible today too… no excuses…
 
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Yes, admittedly I'm not familiar with the details of how things work in other countries. It seems like the other member was suggesting that the government will provide funds for his retirement. We also pay into tax deferred retirement funds in the US, but retirement wages are not guaranteed; it depends on how the investments do.

But hopefully you and I agree that having assets is still a good idea. Or perhaps I am just expressing myself very badly, because the issue of social services vs retirement wages was definitely not my main point.

Having assets is very important, hence I would not spend 3-4 months worth of wages on a watch let alone 1 month…