The future of Omega vs. Rolex

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Yes, admittedly I'm not familiar with the details of how things work in other countries. It seems like the other member was suggesting that the government will provide funds for his retirement. We also pay into tax deferred retirement funds in the US, but retirement wages are not guaranteed; it depends on how the investments do.

But hopefully you and I agree that having assets is still a good idea.
My bad, should have stated an obligatory participation in a retirement fund (dependant on how investments do) plus retirement taxes (guaranteed) set by government.

Having assets is a good idea but still want to live a good life till retirement is around the corner.
 
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I find the notion many in this thread relying on whereby the price-point dictates whether something can be classified as a "tool" or not.

If we think of other types of tools, this notion would seem silly:

To mix cake batter in the kitchen, one might use any number of different mixing "tools", with price points many multiples of the others. Each can perform essentially the same tasks, albeit with different inputs required.

This for $13 USD



This for $130 USD (10x the basic option)


Or this for $480 USD (37x the basic option)


Some will argue that different tools are meant for different purposes, ie: the 'occasional' home chef can do with the first, the daily home 'chef' the second and any professional chef the third. However, I know several 'rare' home chef's who have the third simply because it fits easily within their budget.

TL😁R -- price does not define what is a "tool", nor does the eventual use of the "tool" by those who can afford to purchase them...

My wife likes number 3 since shopping at Williams Sonoma is more interesting. Tell me more about this "home chef" stuff. I can explain this concept to her.
 
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Seems to be an assumption that all the watch buying world is on a wage.
Not all people work for a set wage and many wage earners also have other streams of income.
I’m 50 next year even amongst my wage earning professional friends 100k AUD would certainly be very low end of the scale.

Also I’d say plenty of Rolex owners etc may have financed their purchase.
 
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Yes, admittedly I'm not familiar with the details of how things work in other countries. It seems like the other member was suggesting that the government will provide funds for his retirement. We also pay into tax deferred retirement funds in the US, but retirement wages are not guaranteed; it depends on how the investments do.

But hopefully you and I agree that having assets is still a good idea. Or perhaps I am just expressing myself very badly, because the issue of social services vs retirement wages was definitely not my main point.

Agree assets are a very good idea. 👍

Assets are good but sometimes you can have too many I don’t have a mortgage own investment properties and have coin in the bank. Last year my tax lady said spend some money if you don’t want to keep paying more tax than necessary from getting interest. (Getting about 1% interest fixed that for me)
Until you retire everything is treated as part of your income 🫨


Seems to be an assumption that all the watch buying world is on a wage.
Not all people work for a set wage and many wage earners also have other streams of income.
I’m 50 next year even amongst my wage earning professional friends 100k AUD would certainly be very low end of the scale.

Also I’d say plenty of Rolex owners etc may have financed their purchase.

Properties bought young for cheap as chips and paid off 😉

49 today actually ::psy::
 
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49 today actually ::psy::

Happy Birthday!

... I don’t have a mortgage own investment properties and have coin in the bank.

Now that you mention it, I think I recall you posted some photos of damage done by tenants of a rental property. We had some bad tenants a couple of years ago that didn't always like to pay their rent, but at least they didn't destroy the place.
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Happy Birthday!



Now that you mention it, I think I recall you posted some photos of damage done by tenants of a rental property. We had some bad tenants a couple of years ago that didn't always like to pay their rent, but at least they didn't destroy the place.

Funny as I fixed the place up and have been getting $130 a week more rent from that property since then........
 
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Properties bought young for cheap as chips and paid off 😉

49 today actually ::psy::

Happy BD 😀 I was 49 last week 😀
I own my home, never had a mortgage, rented until I could buy then bought for cash 3 years ago.
 
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I can see the future kids wearing an Apple watch with no available software update.Very useful.
I dont really understand your point?
 
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Our prime minister in NL only makes €170k, somebody is getting underpaid.
It may be hard to believe but it’s true and not unique to me as many waiters made between 85 and 145g bartenders on the higher end specially if they took the Hamptons summer tours. What was then called captains in high end restaurants working with Dennis Foy, Daniel Orr, Daniel Boulud or Jean Georges... all chefs I have worked with. It was a living, for sure. One year I was actually the third highest single tip winner in NYC according to the NYT. A single tip that was about 300% of the check. It sounds even better when i give you the dollar amount. Check was 3000, tip was 9000. That’s on a single table one night at a Terence Conrad restaurant. The best tip that year went to a captain for Boulud who got 15g I believe on Xmas Of the 9g my take was 6g. To qualify it had to be a dinner on a single table and no pre arranged event. I even got selected to captain the British Royal family and a few other dignitaries on occasion. ( the restaurant was not far from the UN.) the 90’s where good for the food and bar industry in NYC. Funny thing is being a waiter, as good as I was at it, was then my plan B job as I was majoring on fine arts.

edit: just did a quick search. It looks like it’s about the same still which is surprising seeing the difference in the economy of the 90’s
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Happy BD 😀 I was 49 last week 😀
I own my home, never had a mortgage, rented until I could buy then bought for cash 3 years ago.
Happy birthday @STANDY . I’m also 49 this year... last April. I look towards that half century mark.....
 
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I dont really understand your point?
It is sarcasm.
Meaning, you cannot expect to be wearing iWatch 3 and using this same watch 30 years from now. Good for a few years, but unlike an old fashion watch, it becomes obsolete and unusable within 5 years +/- a year or two from there and then junk (valueless)- binned.
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I own my home, never had a mortgage, rented until I could buy then bought for cash 3 years ago.

Haha, trying renting and saving in the south east of the UK, your rent is greater than a mortgage but as house prices are stupidly high over here most people struggle to get on the mortgage ladder, if they rent they cannot save enough for a mortgage. My two kids both in mid to late 20's have good jobs but neither can afford a mortgage without help from the bank of mum and dad, so at the moment both are still living at home as they save for deposits, with banks and building societies looking for 25% deposits kids are having to find the best part of £75k before they will be considered for a mortgage.

Rent can be over £1k pcm which leaves sod all for saving towards a mortgage so more and more kids are staying at home for longer as they struggle to get their deposits. Nightmare.
 
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Haha, trying renting and saving in the south east of the UK, your rent is greater than a mortgage but as house prices are stupidly high over here most people struggle to get on the mortgage ladder, if they rent they cannot save enough for a mortgage. My two kids both in mid to late 20's have good jobs but neither can afford a mortgage without help from the bank of mum and dad, so at the moment both are still living at home as they save for deposits, with banks and building societies looking for 25% deposits kids are having to find the best part of £75k before they will be considered for a mortgage.

Rent can be over £1k pcm which leaves sod all for saving towards a mortgage so more and more kids are staying at home for longer as they struggle to get their deposits. Nightmare.
Same problems in Holland.

Nightmare.
Not only a nightmare for the kids I would feel.
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Haha, trying renting and saving in the south east of the UK, your rent is greater than a mortgage but as house prices are stupidly high over here most people struggle to get on the mortgage ladder, if they rent they cannot save enough for a mortgage. My two kids both in mid to late 20's have good jobs but neither can afford a mortgage without help from the bank of mum and dad, so at the moment both are still living at home as they save for deposits, with banks and building societies looking for 25% deposits kids are having to find the best part of £75k before they will be considered for a mortgage.

Rent can be over £1k pcm which leaves sod all for saving towards a mortgage so more and more kids are staying at home for longer as they struggle to get their deposits. Nightmare.
I think you need to check the Australia house market outside of Hong Kong it’s the biggest house bubble in world.
For most people trying to enter now on a normal wage it’s an unattainable dream.
1) I even into my 40s rented in shared households and mostly student type accommodation.
2) I’m not a wage earner.
3) Never had a loan of any kind ever in my life.
4) I’ve never owned a TV

I always had the moto; live like no one else until one day I can live like no one else!
That moto as I approach 50 is really paying off!
 
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You guys do understand it’s a problem World over and it’s caused by the said mortgages, it’s the cantillion effect.
No matter what housing affordability policies the gov raves on about it will continue because that’s the point in which fiat money is being created.
 
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Both brands have an amazing history, but Rolex is more interesting as they highlighted most achievements in advertising campaigns (e.g. 1953 Mount Everest)... Hans Wilsdorf was a marketing genius !
 
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Haha, trying renting and saving in the south east of the UK, your rent is greater than a mortgage but as house prices are stupidly high over here most people struggle to get on the mortgage ladder, if they rent they cannot save enough for a mortgage. My two kids both in mid to late 20's have good jobs but neither can afford a mortgage without help from the bank of mum and dad, so at the moment both are still living at home as they save for deposits, with banks and building societies looking for 25% deposits kids are having to find the best part of £75k before they will be considered for a mortgage.

Rent can be over £1k pcm which leaves sod all for saving towards a mortgage so more and more kids are staying at home for longer as they struggle to get their deposits. Nightmare.

Same, I expect our teenagers to be at home with us for some years to come... Living near Cambridge in the UK, house prices are eye watering compared to when we started out, you would expect a mortgage ~£20k per bedroom, now it's easily >£100k per bedroom.

Fortunately I grafted when a teenager holding down two jobs and saving the wages from one. Now closing in on 50 I have a wonderful wife and kids who as above will be driving us 😡 😁

We're fortunate in the UK as we all pay into the NHS and a state pension while on top we personally have our own schemes. This means although these pieces are more than 1-2 months of my salary, I'm only now in a position to consider some pieces to buy... and cherish, tools watches or not.

Main point of the thread and the OPs question, Omega vs. Rolex.

Personally I see it difficult for Omega to compete at the same level of Rolex even though their histories, quality and price points can be argued, it's simply due to the brand, marketing, provenance and availability. Rightly or wrongly Rolex has a perception as the aspirational watch across most of the population.

Perhaps their standing may diminish with waiting lists, grey market etc. Omega is obviously aiming for similar but I can't see them replacing that perception. I would add that I don't own a Rolex but would like to have one along with my other pieces.
 
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Haha, trying renting and saving in the south east of the UK, your rent is greater than a mortgage but as house prices are stupidly high over here most people struggle to get on the mortgage ladder, if they rent they cannot save enough for a mortgage. My two kids both in mid to late 20's have good jobs but neither can afford a mortgage without help from the bank of mum and dad, so at the moment both are still living at home as they save for deposits, with banks and building societies looking for 25% deposits kids are having to find the best part of £75k before they will be considered for a mortgage.

Rent can be over £1k pcm which leaves sod all for saving towards a mortgage so more and more kids are staying at home for longer as they struggle to get their deposits. Nightmare.

This, completely....

I have just bought my first property (well 40% of it anyway), on a shared ownership scheme, at the ripe old age of 36.

I missed the boom in the late 2000's when all my friends were buying flats for half today's values, with 100% mortgages, as I chose to go to uni instead.

I now have what would be considered a good job, my a wages are around the national average for the UK, but the hoops I had to jump through to get a basic mortgage, I had to find a higher paid job, find an additional 5% deposit (at short notice), and wait for ages for the mortgage company to come up with the goods following a revised mortgage valuation which undervalued the property.

This is for a 1 bedroom flat, not a common occurrence in the shared ownership market, and even then preference is given to families, and those with local ties. I had only viewed 3 of these since starting my search in 2016, so I couldn't afford to let this pass me by.

Handily the monthly costs are still about £200 a month cheaper than renting an equivalent property - I got the keys a week before lockdown began in the UK.
 
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This, completely....

I have just bought my first property (well 40% of it anyway), on a shared ownership scheme, at the ripe old age of 36.

I missed the boom in the late 2000's when all my friends were buying flats for half today's values, with 100% mortgages, as I chose to go to uni instead.

I now have what would be considered a good job, my a wages are around the national average for the UK, but the hoops I had to jump through to get a basic mortgage, I had to find a higher paid job, find an additional 5% deposit (at short notice), and wait for ages for the mortgage company to come up with the goods following a revised mortgage valuation which undervalued the property.

This is for a 1 bedroom flat, not a common occurrence in the shared ownership market, and even then preference is given to families, and those with local ties. I had only viewed 3 of these since starting my search in 2016, so I couldn't afford to let this pass me by.

Handily the monthly costs are still about £200 a month cheaper than renting an equivalent property - I got the keys a week before lockdown began in the UK.

Congratulations, you have a foothold on the property ladder, you have your own space which is great, enjoy it.

My eldest son has been waiting since January for his purchase to complete, mortgage companies agreed loans only to then amend the terms, ask for bigger deposits etc etc. in all we are putting in about 22% of total value as a deposit and still the process is taking forever.

Getting on the housing ladder is a nightmare in the UK.
 
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Both brands have an amazing history, but Rolex is more interesting as they highlighted most achievements in advertising campaigns (e.g. 1953 Mount Everest)... Hans Wilsdorf was a marketing genius !

Today, the Rolex Oyster Perpetual Sir Edmund Hillary wore to the summit of Mount Everest can be viewed on display in a Zürich museum. The Smiths De Luxe worn by Hillary is on display at the Clockmaker’s Company Museum in London, England.

When Hillary reached the summit of Everest in 1953, he did so carrying Smiths instruments and, by his own admission, a Smiths De Luxe watch.😗