The end of wearing an expensive watch

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Well Archer, sorry to disappoint. I knew going in that the view would be unpopular here. Thanks for the compliment. I greatly respect you here too, as a watch maker sans pareil and as a clever, and esteemed member in honest Forum debate, no matter the topic.

So often "roll over" or "cower" is implied or outright exhibited, both within this thread and within society at large. I don't use those terms with intention to demean, but only to point out where our society has apparently led us in this current era. We're not going to go places, we're not going to indulge our passions and wear our favored watches, we are unwilling to don bulletproof vests or go about armed, so what other options do we have to return our society to a safer place we unquestioningly once knew. Continuing to wait on government or the justice system is not the answer, at least not in any of several nations that I esteem and follow, for society is distinctly less secure than it once was and government policy hasn't remedied.

So, what to do?


Here's my problem with concealed.
Let's say I cut you off on the interstate. We both rolled down our windows and exchanged dick jokes. Most likely, you'll show me your fire arm.

You'll get to decide if I live or die for cutting you off. People who carry guns tend to escalade shit quickly. I'm generalized from prior experiences. Concealed baseball bat needs to be a thing. I support that.


Here's my problem with that scenario.

Most likely not!

So, I'm cut off on the interstate, no matter if it was deliberate or only out of inattentiveness. I'm not going to roll down a window and mouth any sort of "jokes" at you, much less brandish. Showing firearms is just not going to happen in your scenario. People who indulge in mouthiness tend to escalate things with far more frequency than legal gun toters do, at least in my neck of the woods. And, while the numbers of legally armed citizens here would be surprising to many, there are many more irresponsibly mouthy types who are willing to also irresponsibly escalate to the next step, whatever that might be. Personal responsibility isn't popular these days.

Why support bats, which are proven to be deadly as well? $1000 bat tax on the law abiding?

The world seems willing to descend into uncivilized behavior, seems to accept uncivilized behavior as the norm, and seems unwilling to practice the Golden Rule. So, we all stew in our collective juices and watches remain unworn while a certain amount of rolling over and cowering (or at least dithering) undeniably occurs.

Only one person's view.
 
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I wear Daytonas much of the time while out. They are insured. If you are aware of your surroundings, you should be able to avoid robberies of this kind. Of course, there are exceptions, but if you start living in fear of eating out in a nice neighborhood, you might as well elect a bloated, orange, imbecile as leader of your nation and hate everything you don't understand or agree with.

HA...just saw the Dirty Harry bit above...sheeple, etc. I apologize for all the Americans who just don't care that nations around the globe with strict gun controls seem to be doing one thousand percent better with regard to mass killings than the US. Please forgive us, rest of the world, for what is happening of late in America. We are not all living in fear and hatred of change and anything we don't understand. I own many guns, but I am in favor of MUCH more gun control.
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I wear Daytonas much of the time while out. They are insured. If you are aware of your surroundings, you should be able to avoid robberies of this kind. Of course, there are exceptions, but if you start living in fear of eating out in a nice neighborhood, you might as well elect a bloated, orange, imbecile as leader of your nation and hate everything you don't understand or agree with.

Brandon isn't gonna like that..........................................
 
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If you are aware of your surroundings, you should be able to avoid robberies of this kind.
Of this kind? You sit at a table with your wife and kids and a guy walks up to you from behind and puts a gun to your head? Come on. I dealt with criminals during several years and I'm aware of my surroundings. But these kind of things you dont see coming.
 
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Hey Thomas, did you foresee this thread would devolve into a gun ownership/control debate?
 
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Again, how often does this happen in areas that are not rife with crime?
You can be victimized anywhere for any reason. If you choose to live in fear, that is your choice. I'll wear what I like and exercise common sense, and if someone puts a gun to my head in a crowded restaurant, I'll give him my watch and get another.

I'm not debating guns. I'm discussing controlling one's fears and mitigating risks by making the best choices.

As you were. I guess I did engage in a brief gun discussion above. I stand corrected. But...if you start a thread about being robbed at gunpoint, I don't see a gun discussion as an unlikely outcome.
 
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if someone puts a gun to my head in a crowded restaurant, I'll give him my watch and get another.
Yeah, me too. And no chair-throwing.
 
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Hey Thomas, did you foresee this thread would devolve into a gun control debate?
Not really. But it does'nt surprise me either. It's a sensitive subject. But it's still interesting to see the cultural differences.
 
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the idea that the solution to guns is more guns sounds like something that a marketing organization would dream up.

And that marketing organization is called the NRA.
 
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Again, how often does this happen in areas that are not rife with crime?
This happened in the most expensive neighbourhood in Amsterdam.
 
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Imagine if the chair-thrower had been strapped and replied wildly with his .357 rather than a chair. And I assume 90 percent of those carrying sidearms are NOT truly qualified to respond to a situation like the one noted in this thread.
 
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So the lesson learned here... from now on I'm only buying eterna's, wittnauers, zodiacs and bulova's...
 
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In every mass shooting in the last two years, armed citizens could have stopped it quickly and actually prevented a "shooting" from turning into a mass shooting. Income inequality has nothing to do with it. Mental health has almost nothing to do with it (most people with mental health issues are not violent mass shooters)...and if you want to reduce violence, you don't run from it and cower, you confront it head on.

Every mass shooting? No. Not even close. This is categorically false and is a tired narrative concocted to blur reality. Here are the facts:

Who Stops a ‘Bad Guy With a Gun’?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...se-uvalde-buffalo.html?searchResultPosition=2
 
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Imagine if the chair-thrower had been strapped and replied wildly with his .357 rather than a chair. And I assume 90 percent of those carrying sidearms are NOT truly qualified to respond to a situation like the one noted in this thread.
Make that 99%. Most people who buy a handgun do so for self defense and the defense of their immediate family, not strangers. Other than ex-military with combat experience, I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of gun owners who carry - whether or not concealed - would willingly put their lives on the line by confronting an active shooter, particularly one with a death wish and a military grade automatic weapon.
 
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You’ll have to pry that chair out of my cold dead hands

I’ll always defend the right to throw chair. Geraldo may not agree but I think it is in the Constitution
 
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and if someone puts a gun to my head in a crowded restaurant, I'll give him my watch and get another.

Agreed. A watch is not worth dying for, or killing over.