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  1. watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant Dec 22, 2015

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    everybody here would be a better speedmaster consultant than the existing guys @ auction houses.... but bear in mind, they have to have a broader knowledge; not only omega or rolex. and rgd. bubbles: as long as the economy is doing ok, there will be people, who rort/exploit/use the system and skim massive amounts of cash from the top. they can drive a bubble and as all bubbles: circumstances change=valuations change. in WW2 the farmers were the producers of food and without it, you die out there. if you want to buy 5 sacks of potatoes and give the farmer the choice between a simple , but golden watch and a speedmaster 2915, I know, what he will take...... have a great Christmas, guys ! it`s only money; nothing important. kind regards from Australia. achim
     
  2. tyrantlizardrex Dec 22, 2015

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    You say that, but my (ex) employee stock has helped to fund the addiction! ;-)
     
  3. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Dec 22, 2015

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    So, in light of the 2915-1 being withdrawn is the -2 worth more or less than it sold for?

    After all there would have only been one 2915 in the sale to fight over......
     
  4. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Dec 22, 2015

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    I would think it would have gone for more. When was the last time a 2915 was publicly available in this condition?
     
  5. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Dec 22, 2015

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    Has it been discussed yet that this 2915-2, serial number 15,997,525, was previously sold at a Christie's Geneva auction on 11/16/2009 for $63,446? I'm sure last week's buyer must have been aware of this but I'm not sure if this was mentioned on OF?

    http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...7575&sid=8064f3fc-c46b-4b8b-b74b-8bdb57263184

    Edit: An 11% compounded rate of return for the 6 years that the seller owned the watch. Seems reasonable.
     
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  6. Davidt Dec 23, 2015

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    Before the -1 was removed most of us thought the -2 was the more honest and original of the two. I'd say this turn of events only increases it's value.

    I'd be pretty happy if I'd bought the -2 as this only goes to show that buying 2915's can be very difficult. The fact that @gemini4 has found that the -2 sold in '09 (assuming it the same dial etc, I couldn't find a picture), only increases the likelihood that its a genuine watch and hasn't been recently thrown together.

    I'd like to know the story behind the -1 mind.
     
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  7. Cal_321 Dec 23, 2015

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    CK2915: Asking prices have gone through the roof! Unbeliveable prices now...
     
  8. maxbrux Dec 23, 2015

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    Thanks for the very interesting discussion Gents - a lot to learn.

    I'm more inclined to Spacefruits's views: what attracts me to vintage pieces is the "life" they carry with them. But - as with people's faces - the ones I find more beautiful are those that aged naturally: you'll always spot dyed hairs in a face.

    So yes, a tool watch should not be expected to be NOS, but when a part of it is ... well the rest should follow :)
     
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  9. omegaman Dec 23, 2015

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    Ok, I took two comparison screen shots of the bespoken CK2915-2 from the 2009 online catalog and from the 2015.... but due to copyright restrictions I am not allowed to post the pictures here. :(

    On the first glance both bezels look a little different, but when comparing the scratch through the R of TACHYMETRE it's obviously the same, it just has been polished between 2009 and 2015. The dial is also the same, good to see at the lume at 3 and 5 o'clock. The crown looks different, but that might be due to the slightly different perspective. The center second seems to be not identical.
     
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  10. Bienne2998 Dec 23, 2015

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    Funny game.
    I found something: there's a scratch on the hour hand in 2015 that was not there in 2009 (just next to the lume).
     
  11. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Dec 23, 2015

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    Can you post a link?
     
  12. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Dec 23, 2015

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    Can you post a link?
     
  13. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Dec 23, 2015

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  14. mozartman ♫♭♬ ♪ Dec 23, 2015

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    As I suggested in an earlier thread, it will likely be difficult for Christie's to equal the expertise of niche market dealers and auctioneers, such as those who specialize in vintage watches, without some growing pains. On the other hand, they can help introduce vintage Speedmasters to the mainstream high-end antiques market, where I've read that only Patek and Rolex have had a major presence. That's good news for those of you who already own them!
    In 1998, Christie's auctioned what it had identified as an early 19th-century German portrait for $21,850. It turns out to have been made in the 1490s by Leonardo da Vinci and valued well into nine figures. The original owner tried to sue Christie's -- but the court ruled the claim too late. So it runs both ways. ;-)
     
  15. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Dec 23, 2015

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    And that is why we constantly learn and gain experience, so we can spot the bad lots and the hidden treasures.
     
  16. Psych Dec 23, 2015

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    Of course everyone can make mistakes. But look at the resources that Christies threw at the auction, the high profile publicity, the World Tour that they sent the lots on, and the income that they will have made from the premiums. A watch bought from a Christies sale has a special kind of provenance too and with that stamp of authenticity ought to come a big dollop of responsibility. If Christies don't have sufficient in-house expertise, wouldn't it have been simple due diligence to at least check with somebody from the "niche market dealers and auctioneers"? Sorry to be so grumpy, but I am surprised they did such a poor job.
     
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  17. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Dec 23, 2015

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  18. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Dec 23, 2015

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    Please tell me that you are joking?

    If not, then the amount of arrogance and ignorance on their part is staggering.

    Luckily they have Hodinkee in their corner...because you know a Spiedel Twist o Flex looks great on a Speedy Pro.
     
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  19. flyingout Dec 23, 2015

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    Reportedly, Christie's was skeptical until an ad the museum convinced them.

    Working directly with the Omega museum, Christie's was able to confirm that the watch was created as it lives today, and sold to Singapore.
     
  20. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Dec 23, 2015

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    Here's the thing though - outsource it.
    The museum isn't the final word either - I've said it before and will say it again - this forum collectively is pretty much the final word regarding vintage omegas.
     
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