Technically, Another Drawer Find: FAP 14755 Seamaster 300

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There's a reason for that, and the reason Omega dive watches (specifically the dive watches) often have movements entirely untouched by rust or corrosion.

The reason?

HELIUM!

Not only know for its lighter than air properties, Helium is also well known for its ability prevent corrosion, rust and decay.

Helium was compressed into dive watch cases and then sealed. Even with winding and time setting the helium remained in the case preventing oxygen from entering.

There was a thread about Helium on the forum a while ago that explained a lot more than I can here.

Fascinating - I thought that these were pre-helium? Need to go update the files, that's for sure... Any info on who supplied it in those days?
 
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Err, I think the helium thread is a piss take 😀
 
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I have been corresponding with @DrStrong about his FAP 14755 and his is within 10 serials of mine! Super cool how the collector community can share information and bring watches back together decades after leaving the factory.

While there wasn't much doubt about it being correct and delivered to the FAP, knowing what I know now helps a ton...until the red envelope arrives.
 
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This is the appropriate serial range of other known and documented with archives FAP 14755s.
Now to order the extract!

Congrats on the nice "catch". And yes this is in the correct narrow range seen on a handful of 14755-61 FAP marked caseback's.
I don't doubt the originality with that serial and the provenance you got from the family, but I'm just a little puzzled about a minor detail. The FAP engraving. Just a quirky thing here to geek about 📖

My observations on the FAP casebacks shows some different types and location of the FAP engraving:
On the early FAP's (2913-3's) the engraving is small and with flat top A and located below the top rim of the caseback.
On the late FAP's (2913-7's and a few -8's) the engraving is large and with pointed A and located below the top rim of the caseback.
On 14755's, I have only seen FAP casebacks on the -61 subreference, all had a new type of engraving, small and narrow almost pointed A and located above the top rim of the caseback (the 14755 casebacks are different than the 2913s because of movement height - cal. 55x vs. 50x).
@watchknut s has the large type of engraving seen on the laste 2913's with pointed A, but with location above the top rim of the caseback...
Well, quirky indeed...and falls outside what I have seen on these. But again, the SM300 FAPs are a bit of a mystery overall. My observations leads me to think there were 3 "major" batches produced within about 2 years from eachother. The first (2913-3's) in 1959, the second (2913-7/8's) in 1961 and the third (14755-61s) in 1963. The lollipop second hand was meant for the first two batches IMO and often seen on these, but rarely seen on the third batch (production/stock had seized).

It will be very interesting to see if the extract will state delivery to the FAP in the comments or "just" to Peru. The more recently seen extract only states Peru, but perhaps Omega also have changed policy on these, like the UK MoD ones, where Omega now have begun to mention the military provenance in the comments and not just delivery to the UK.

Geek time out...enjoy

 
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Perhaps the OP engraving was done by a dyslexic Pakistani?😝
 
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Fascinating - I thought that these were pre-helium? Need to go update the files, that's for sure... Any info on who supplied it in those days?
I think back then they used Hydrogen as the fill gas. It made the watch even lighter but has a nasty habit of venting like a jet engine if you smoked with your watch hand.
 
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I think back then they used Hydrogen as the fill gas. It made the watch even lighter but has a nasty habit of venting like a jet engine if you smoked with your watch hand.

Ah, hydrogen... The radium of gasses.
 
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Omega Seamaster 300 14755-61 FAP Truman Show.
Edited:
 
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Yes, an "attaboy" and a 👍

I was thinking more substantial...like a trinket.
And this is why Rolex just got it wrong...they made their watches so helium could escape!


If the got it wrong then why do vintage Rolex watches have the best preserved dials and movements...its hard to find a 50 year old Rolex with a fυcked up dial...Seamasters on the other hand
 
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If the got it wrong then why are vintage Rolex watches have the best preserved dials and movements...its hard to find a 50 year old Rolex with a fυcked up dial...Seamasters on the other hand
It was a joke, I was playing off @JimInOz referencing the epic helium thread.
 
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Congrats on the nice "catch". And yes this is in the correct narrow range seen on a handful of 14755-61 FAP marked caseback's.
I don't doubt the originality with that serial and the provenance you got from the family, but I'm just a little puzzled about a minor detail. The FAP engraving. Just a quirky thing here to geek about 📖

My observations on the FAP casebacks shows some different types and location of the FAP engraving:
On the early FAP's (2913-3's) the engraving is small and with flat top A and located below the top rim of the caseback.
On the late FAP's (2913-7's and a few -8's) the engraving is large and with pointed A and located below the top rim of the caseback.
On 14755's, I have only seen FAP casebacks on the -61 subreference, all had a new type of engraving, small and narrow almost pointed A and located above the top rim of the caseback (the 14755 casebacks are different than the 2913s because of movement height - cal. 55x vs. 50x).
@watchknut s has the large type of engraving seen on the laste 2913's with pointed A, but with location above the top rim of the caseback...
Well, quirky indeed...and falls outside what I have seen on these. But again, the SM300 FAPs are a bit of a mystery overall. My observations leads me to think there were 3 "major" batches produced within about 2 years from eachother. The first (2913-3's) in 1959, the second (2913-7/8's) in 1961 and the third (14755-61s) in 1963. The lollipop second hand was meant for the first two batches IMO and often seen on these, but rarely seen on the third batch (production/stock had seized).

It will be very interesting to see if the extract will state delivery to the FAP in the comments or "just" to Peru. The more recently seen extract only states Peru, but perhaps Omega also have changed policy on these, like the UK MoD ones, where Omega now have begun to mention the military provenance in the comments and not just delivery to the UK.

Geek time out...enjoy

As always, thanks for the insight! Out of curiosity, who imprinted the FAP on the case back? Was that done when it was issued or done at the Omega factory? I would have to imagine it being done by the FAP...correct? My only thought is that they had two dies sitting around, the guy in charging of marking them grabbed whatever die was closest...but who the heck knows.
 
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Removes any doubt...and thanks to @thesingaporewatchbaron for his help on getting this...
 
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Removes any doubt...and thanks to @thesingaporewatchbaron for his help on getting this...
Fantastic. Congratulations man!
 
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Wowww... from the start to the end with the Archive. E P I C !!
 
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Removes any doubt...
Sure does 👍
A bit surprised that it was produced that early. The others "know" 14755-61 FAP's (with same narrow serial range) are from july 1963. Well, just proves that movements/parts for these special orders, where taken out of the normal production line and saved until needed. As seen with the MoD SM300's also.
@watchknut, out of curiosity, did you mention the FAP engraving to Omega, in your request for the extract?

And since nobody seems to have called it yet... DIBS 😗
 
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Sure does 👍
A bit surprised that it was produced that early. The others "know" 14755-61 FAP's (with same narrow serial range) are from july 1963. Well, just proves that movements/parts for these special orders, where taken out of the normal production line and saved until needed. As seen with the MoD SM300's also.
@watchknut, out of curiosity, did you mention the FAP engraving to Omega, in your request for the extract?

And since nobody seems to have called it yet... DIBS 😗
Did I mention It?

Only in about 6 different languages with accompanying photos!

You are right...quite odd that mine is 10 serial numbers earlier than @DrStrong yet a year before. Must not have been issuing a ton of these watches.

I was hoping for a little more write up, but I will take it 😀

@kox I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the dibs list is around the corner in this one 😝