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Sorry upside down is a Australian joke that goes with the cartoon withe the pencil on his nose and not at you for posting picture on the side.

But the dial has been redone as most on here look at many original dials and yours is a redial. Think the way you posted your first post got the reply from me.

We are happy to hear your story and no attack meant on your uncle or if he was in the Air Force or not.

Stick around you will learn a lot about watches on this site and get the cheeky way we sometimes go about it.
 
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I am in know way an expert on this matter but while researching the same dilemma on a 30s/40s vintage Longines dial it was suggested that in certain years Swiss made was a requirement and also a marketing gesture for the American market. In comparing nearly identical watches (all original), one dial stated Swiss located in the states and the South American watch was unmarked. ???
 
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Look, I'm 61 and not a computer whiz on how to orient pictures. And, the uncle is still alive and well who gave it to me and laughed when I told him that the "know it Alls" said it was a redial and he said "no way". Perhaps there were different dials used in Connies for France. And the crown--see attached picture for an example of others on other forums. And yeah, he really was in the Air Force and in France in 1955. Why is that so weird? Perhaps I can get his picture in uniform and post it. Even better if he's wearing the watch.

The crown on this one and the one I posted have also been replaced - not a big deal though. They should have been originally signed with the Omega logo.
 
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It was common practice back in the 1950's and '60's for a watchmaker to send the dial out to be refinished while the insides were being serviced. There were thousands of local companies who did that type of work back then. Some were better than others.

It was considered no different than having a car repainted after a repair. However, fast forward 50+ years, and today's collectors consider it a very big deal if a vintage car has its original paint.

Same is true of watches, except that more of the value of a vintage watch is tied up in the look of the dial.

It's all you see most of the time,
gatorcpa
 
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Ah, I wondered if that was the case. Would it be worthwhile to try to find a marked crown/stem and replace? I do like that omega symbol on the stem. Also, was Omega putting the tiny omega symbol on the crystal in the early 50s?
 
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Also, was Omega putting the tiny omega symbol on the crystal in the early 50s?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

If you get a modern Omega OEM crystal, it will have the symbol regardless of whether the original had it or not.
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In light of what the previous poster said about Swiss watches not always being marked "Swiss" in the foreign market and different options and designs in different countries, it still makes me wonder. I mean how many of you folks who are far more knowledgeable than me have actually examined a bunch of Omegas known to have been specifically made for and sold IN France. As you noted, it really doesn't personally make much diff. The watch is an heirloom and meaningful on that level, but it's interesting trivia. I used to collect cameras. I remember someone having a particular collectible Olympus camera that had a funny look to some of its lettering. Everyone thought it was a fake until we found out that the cases and letterings for European marketed cameras were different than those for the American market. oh well. Thank u all for commenting. Maybe someday I will go to France, look for old Omegas and note anything unusual. 😉
 
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In light of what the previous poster said about Swiss watches not always being marked "Swiss" in the foreign market and different options and designs in different countries, it still makes me wonder. I mean how many of you folks who are far more knowledgeable than me have actually examined a bunch of Omegas known to have been specifically made for and sold IN France. As you noted, it really doesn't personally make much diff. The watch is an heirloom and meaningful on that level, but it's interesting trivia. I used to collect cameras. I remember someone having a particular collectible Olympus camera that had a funny look to some of its lettering. Everyone thought it was a fake until we found out that the cases and letterings for European marketed cameras were different than those for the American market. oh well. Thank u all for commenting. Maybe someday I will go to France, look for old Omegas and note anything unusual. 😉


The French did indeed have different rules, with different labels.
The following is a message posted on the Horological Meandering discussion forum, by Marv, on June 14, 2011, addressing the question of why certain watches bear the marking, “Fab. Suisse”.

There was a French law (Art 15. de la loi du 11 janvier 1892) that said that it was prohibited to import into France any product whose brand, name, sign or mark could mislead the consumer, in the sense that it could be understood as having been produced in France whereas it was not the case.

In 1924, a very strict interpretation of that law applied: a brand name that had a “French” origin or meaning could be considered on its own as a misleading mark! Even a brand with a foreign name, but with one subsidiary in France, was concerned! Therefore, many Swiss brands were concerned by this strict rule.

In order to be allowed to import watches into France, many Swiss watchmakers had to add a “legal rider” on the dial to explicitly mention the Swiss origin: “Importé de …“, “Fabrique en …“. There was a tolerance for the watches whose dial was too small to have the whole rider printed. In that case, the short “Fab. Suisse” was accepted.
See: http://thoughts.onthedash.com/thoughts/the-fab-suisse-marking-on-watch-dials/
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this second one is a redial:
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See this blog post, by the most respected Constellation collector here:
http://omega-constellation-collecto...8/a-french-omega-constellation-2648-seen.html
 
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I should add, the reason for saying @Rwilliams yours is a redial, isn't just the lack of "swiss made" it also the incorrect font, the thickness of the font, the thickness of the crosshairs, etc
 
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These are very cool pictures. And it does essentially prove that my uncle must have forgotten it being refurbished because if it were the original French market dial it would have the Fab Suiss on it! I wish it were original as he bought it in 1955. I do want to have a watchmaker open it and check the serial #. I'd like to date its manufacture. Would be personally kinda neat if it were made the year I was born (1953) and sold in 55. I'm just curious--why would one need to change the dial? Did they fade or something? And why? Also, why are the crosshairs there? They seem pointless. And is the Geneva Observatory medallion gold? See below. What about the hands and markers?
 
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Glad to see you've chilled out a bit. 👍

I was in the Air Force (ours, not yours), and I'm also an Uncle, and I'm also a bit older than you and sometimes computers confound me too, so I just hit them, or ask for help on this forum. You're never too old to learn.

The uncle poke was because we get many "this was given to me by my Uncle" posts, usually turn out to be fakes, so it's an in joke on the forum, in no way mean't to cast nasturtiums on your Uncle.

I agree that the watch dial has been re-done at some stage for the reasons pointed out.

If your Uncle purchased it in France from a retail outlet, it should be a "Fab Suisse" dial, or he may have purchased it at a USAF Base Exchange in which case it would have "Swiss" or "Swiss Made", although I don't know if there were any USAF detachments based in France in the 50s.

It's not a ball breaker as the watch has sentimental value to you and with it's wear it's not a cherry collector item. Still a nice Connie though.

Cheers

Jim
 
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it could be a redial, but it isn't recent. I was more interested in the movement, I'm just starting my research now.
 
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redial. the heavy serifs on the numbers tell the story..... kind regards. achim
 
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redial. the heavy serifs on the numbers tell the story..... kind regards. achim
I wasn't happy about those either! I didn't look too closely because of the patina it had. Perhaps not a complete redial, but replacing missing letters/numbers from wear?
 
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The 'O' in Omega is a bit eliptical too. Maybe I'll send it out for restoration some time. I'm not a huge patina fan!
 
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redial. the heavy serifs on the numbers tell the story..... kind regards. achim
and maybe the missing lume in the index recessions
 
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and maybe the missing lume in the index recessions
It's difficult to see in that photo, but the lume dots seem to be there. I tried playing with photo settings to see if I could pull them out of the background, but I wasn't successful. They've gone a brown colour against the gold. You can see the edge of one at the 7. I'll be able to investigate better when I have it apart.

Anyone know any good redialers??
 
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It's difficult to see in that photo, but the lume dots seem to be there. I tried playing with photo settings to see if I could pull them out of the background, but I wasn't successful. They've gone a brown colour against the gold. You can see the edge of one at the 7. I'll be able to investigate better when I have it apart.

Anyone know any good redialers??
Yes, it is hard to see indeed, but I think you are right.... maybe you can take a clear photo of the dial only once you have taken it apart