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Thanks for pointing that out to me, Al. I'll keep an eye on it. It would be nice to have some formal training but at the moment, I don't see any DLC that suit me. I'm still investigating though. Might have to wait until I can spend time doing in house courses but that's a few years away.

My insult list is building...

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Sorry for the delay in responding, first up comments about the BHI etc...

Every industry/organization has it's supporters and detractors, the BHI is no different. Love it or you hate it, it is what it is...no one is forcing anyone to belong.

The staff at HQ in Upton Hall are not clock/watchmakers, they are administrative and run the BHI. The Board and Vice-Presidents are mostly M/FBHI members. All my interactions with the BHI since I joined 6 years ago, on the phone, via email, and during my on-site visits, have always been professional and to my satisfaction.

As for the general membership of the BHI, I would put them in a category of their own, show me any other horology outfit where you can you find so many of today's top horologists.

BHI members including:

Dr Daniels (deceased) - inventor of the coaxial escapement, probably the greatest horologist of our lifetime
Roger W Smith - only apprentice of Dr Daniels, maker of handmade watches
Jonathan Betts - former horologist at Greenwich, serviced the Harrison H clocks
Martin Burgess - maker of the most accurate pendulum clock ever, better than 1 second accuracy in 100 days
Derek Pratt (deceased) - among the top watchmakers of our time
And many, many others...

Is the BHI made up of old men who only tinker with clocks? sure they are some, the BHI appeals to retired men looking for a hobby and clocks are much easier to work on than watches, especially as your eyesight deteriorates, and clocks are more popular in the UK, where the BHI is based. Is most of the membership old men? I don't know, maybe, just like most organizations I have belonged to they tend to be made up of old men (me excluded of course): amateur radio, RC flying, antique car club, freemasons, etc,...

I was not aware that you could do these exams at a distance I've looked at the two Distance Learning Courses (DLC) from the BHI, they appear to relate as follows to watches:

Technician grade course – aiming towards being a technician servicing quartz watches

Intermediate/Final grade course – aiming towards being a Watchmaker servicing mechanical watches for which interchangeable parts are available (high relevance to this discussion!)

When I completed the DLC exams, only the final 2 written/essay exams and 2 servicing exams had to be conducted at Upton Hall. The remainder of the exams, written and practical I did at home, in Canada.

As far as I can see, these prepare you for a series of exams to be either a Technician or a first level of Watchmaker (there is a further grade of Watchmaker higher than that mentioned above). You don’t have to do the exams so, the courses can be done just out of interest.

The first course is about €1000-1200 which may not too bad as you get proper tutoring support for it where I assume you can send the tutor your work and he will comment. The exact extent of that support is not clear but as it’s half the course cost, you would hope it would be sufficient.

Oddly, the second course is cheaper at about €600-800 but, you only get tutor feedback on technical aspects.

The DLC and the Exams are two separate issues, you don't have to write the Exams if you follow the DLC. In fact you don't have to complete the DLC to qualify for writing any exams, the DLC is simply one method of preparing for the exams, but with the exam syllabus as a guide, you could self study outside of the DLC.

The biggest problem is finding out the details of the courses.

Anyway, none of this actually explains what you will be doing on this course (this really is just about all the data available except for the picture below which gives some very brief details of the modules) and for me, I don’t usually invest €1000+ based on so little information. That’s one thing that holds me back, the other being that for the second course, you don’t seem to get any feedback from the tutor on practical matters.

The BHI website has just been upgraded, and at this time not everything concerning the DLC has been migrated from the old to the new site. So there are gaps in the knowledge base and DLC program. If however you call/contact Maxine, I am sure she would be able to send you the PDF of the program in detail for your review.

For unit D2, will I be manufacturing from raw materials a clock train? I can’t believe it’s that and assume it’s just assembling something as the course that leads to that only needs "simple and inexpensive tools and machines".

You are required to make - from raw materials - (block of brass, steel rods, etc) a number of parts and pieces, and you do need a lathe and a variety of accessories to be able to make these parts. Tolerances for the handmade parts are on the order of 0.03mm in any dimension on any component, it includes making staff's, screws, balance cock and plate, bluing, polishing, installing jewels, etc.

To complete all 3 levels of the DLC, I had to service a total of 50 some odd watches during the course: ladies watches, chronographs, automatics, manuals, with complications etc. For the Final Grade I had to submit 5 Portfolio watches each requiring complex repairs and fabrication of parts along with an 8 page write up for each watch.

I’m not being critical, Rob, but, they could make this a lot clearer if they want to get people to sign up. I know you’re involved with the BHI so, treat this as feedback. I do feel like I’m missing something here….

Critical is good, I am also critical of the BHI and have voiced my opinion with them, and decided to become a participant and try and make it better, if no one acts where will the future watchmakers come from? As soon as I was awarded my MBHI I became active:

- regular contributor of watchmaking articles to the Horological Journal, with the goal of engaging the watch enthusiast members along with encouraging others to contribute. Problem is that many watch (and clock) makers won't take the time to share their expertise, to quote one "...you can't pay me enough to write an article for the BHI..." with that attitude there would be no HJ content at all ...
- Senior Examiner, having recently completed the DLC and written the exams, I am in a good position to provide positive feedback and bring about change to the system, rather than bitch about it, I decided to do something.
- watchmaking participant for the re-writing of the Intermediate and Final grade DLC program. For those who say that the BHI is still in the dark ages I would remind them that mechanical watches work today following the same principles that were invented a couple of hundred years ago. The autowinder patented in 1924 by Harwood has changed little in principle during the intervening years, sure we use different materials and slight variations on the original patent, but it's still a pivoted weight going round and turning a bunch of gears and winding the mainspring. Mechanical watches are old technology, you want modern - buy a Apple Watch.

Ask yourself this question: Do you want to be a "part installer" or a "watchmaker".

Parts Changer - The technicians employed by the watch manufacturers in the service centres are what I would call "parts installers", witness the number of returned parts shown here by members who have used the Omega service centre. Their job is to service as many watches (average of 10 movements/day) as quickly as possible and if they have a problem, any problem, they replace the part(s) until it's fixed. Remember the one post where they not only replaced the balance wheel (complete with hairspring), but they replaced the balance cock as well... As long as you have access to parts, as a parts installer you can service/fix the watch. This is the road followed by many and as long as you have the skills to take apart and re-assemble and lubricate the movement properly, it works just fine.

If your only requirement is to be able to service and replace parts on movements, I suggest that the DLC is not for you. Much better to simply take the TZ course and do a bit of watch related reading. If possible, hook up with a experienced/qualified horologist to have them check/provide feedback on oiling, that is the area most people are weak in.

Watchmaker - If you want to be able to repair movements ("repair" defined as being able to fix/fabricate existing or new parts) then sign up for the DLC.

I decided it was better to train to become a watchmaker/repairer than to only be a servicing parts installer. What do you do if the parts source suddenly dries up (not like that's ever going to happen)? or if you have a watch that is vintage and no parts are available. With the DLC training, in the majority of cases, I am able to effect a repair and get the watch working again. No parts access - no problem... Of course not all parts of a movement can be made or repaired, but in most instances it can be done as long as the person doing the work has the required tooling, skills, and experience.

Final comment:

No, the DLC is not inexpensive, but neither is quitting your day job and attending a watchmaking school full time. If you want to become a watchmaker, then the DLC is the only learn-at-home program that I am aware of. If you compare the DLC cost to attending a university or the WOSTEP program for 2 years, then the DLC doesn't seem quite as expensive. Consider as well that the new DLC Diploma program is graded at a UK "Level 5", the same level as a BA or BSc.

Having gone through the program from start to finish, it worked for me and I got a lot out of it, mind you, I put a lot into it as well...no results without a lot of effort.

Hope this helps, sorry for the length...
Rob
BHI Professional Watchmaker
www.roberthoran.eu
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Thanks for the comprehensive response, Rob. A lot to digest and I will bear it in mind.

Regards, Chris
 
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When I completed the DLC exams, only the final 2 written/essay exams and 2 servicing exams had to be conducted at Upton Hall. The remainder of the exams, written and practical I did at home, in Canada.

Quick question - were the exams you did in Canada invigilated? If so, by whom?

Cheers, Al
 
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Quick question - were the exams you did in Canada invigilated? If so, by whom?

Cheers, Al

Yes they were. I approached the President of a local community college, and he agreed to be the invigilator, BHI reviewed and approved his appointment.

The practical work of making parts doesn't need an invigilator, BHI sends you the raw material and an isometric drawing, make the parts and send them back to the BHI.

For the 50+ watches you have to service, and Portfolio, you need to find an existing BHI Member or Fellow to work with you. Each watch is accompanied by a 2 page repair form that the student fills in outlining the work, the M/FBHI is sent the watches and forms, he checks that the work is to an acceptable standard, if it's good, he signs off each repair form, and returns the watches and forms. I hang onto the watches (they were mine anyway) and mail the forms to the BHI for final review and approval.

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***Edited to correct DLC vs Exams and Certification*** they are not one in the same, you can complete the DLC without ever attempting any Exams, likewise you can write all the Exams and achieve Certification without the DLC. Apologies for the confusion between the DLC and Certification.

For those that are curious about the BHI exams practical work, here are some examples (Note - the exam work ties into the DLC program as the DLC has a number of practical "exercises" to prepare you for the exams practical work) Shown below is what you have to make from raw material for the Exams, which eventually leads to Certification. Tolerance on these parts 0.05mm, a standard piece of copy paper is aprox 0.10mm thick, for a comparison.

Raw material


After a bit of work with a file and lathe


Details

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Yes they were. I approached the President of a local community college, and he agreed to be the invigilator, BHI reviewed and approved his appointment.

The practical work of making parts doesn't need an invigilator, BHI sends you the raw material and an isometric drawing, make the parts and send them back to the BHI.

For the 50+ watches you have to service, and Portfolio, you need to find an existing BHI Member or Fellow to work with you. Each watch is accompanied by a 2 page repair form that the student fills in outlining the work, the M/FBHI is sent the watches and forms, he checks that the work is to an acceptable standard, if it's good, he signs off each repair form, and returns the watches and forms. I hang onto the watches (they were mine anyway) and mail the forms to the BHI for final review and approval.

Rob

Thanks for the reply - good to see that at least part of the process is supervised. Curious if you had to submit the watches that you serviced for evaluation both before and after service?

In the US the AWCI, or AWI as it was known back when this system was in place, used a similar system of sending in watches that you had serviced for evaluation. When the companies started to move to certifying individual watchmakers, they would not accept the old CW and CMW certifications that were done under this system due to the issues with cheating (sending in watches that you didn't service yourself). As a result they developed (with the input of several brands, but mostly Rolex) the CW21 and CMW21 exam system.

The exam has to be done in person, and includes a written portion, plus servicing of 3 complete watches, and a micro-mechanical portion. The reason I asked the question above is that when you write the exam, you get the watches you will work on given to you (with induced faults of course), and before you start you spend time filling out a form that shows what is currently wrong with the watch. So if the case has a scratch or dent you mark it down. If the dial is scratched or the hands, or a movement plate etc. all that has to be documented, because if you don't they will assume you did the damage and you will lose marks for it. Also, if you lost or broke a part, you could not just pull a spare out of a drawer, you had to get one from the instructor, and if you did you lost marks for that. I can't see how any of this can be done if you are mailing a watch to someone who has never seen it before and has no idea what you replaced during the service.

Not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but as you can see there are different approaches to how to certify people.

Cheers, Al
 
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Just a few comments I want to make here - not picking at you, but just giving a different (possibly more balanced) perspective.

Ask yourself this question: Do you want to be a "part installer" or a "watchmaker".

It's a good question to ask yourself if you are considering becoming a watchmaker. Anyone who asks me about doing this for a living, and that happens often, I always ask what kind of watchmaker they want to be. But this has more to do with the job you want after your education than anything.

Parts Changer - The technicians employed by the watch manufacturers in the service centres are what I would call "parts installers", witness the number of returned parts shown here by members who have used the Omega service centre. Their job is to service as many watches (average of 10 movements/day) as quickly as possible and if they have a problem, any problem, they replace the part(s) until it's fixed. Remember the one post where they not only replaced the balance wheel (complete with hairspring), but they replaced the balance cock as well... As long as you have access to parts, as a parts installer you can service/fix the watch. This is the road followed by many and as long as you have the skills to take apart and re-assemble and lubricate the movement properly, it works just fine.

You mention TZ courses, but those were written by an amateur and are for the amateur. The type of tool and part making you did is part of watchmaking school curriculum. Usually the first few months is nothing but filing and making small tools, and you will be lucky to really dig into an actual watch much in the first year.

I think you have to separate the skills from the job, and it doesn't appear that you are doing that here. You seem to be implying that the people who work at service centers can only replace parts, and I don't think that's the case based on those that I know who work at service centers. What you describe in a factory service center setting is exactly what I would expect to happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm critical of the things they do as well, and they take the "easy way" to an excessive level in my view, but even if you are a fully trained watchmaker capable of making parts, you do it their way or you will be unemployed very quickly. This is one reason why I would never choose to work in a service center setting.

And although making and repairing parts is a skill set every watchmaker should have, you use it when it's appropriate to do so. I could set about repivoting a bunch of wheels from an Omega Cal. 1120 if I wanted to, but when they cost $14 to replace, why would I? I can click my mouse a few times and a FedEx truck shows up at my door tomorrow (assuming I don't already have the part in stock, and for most high wear items I do carry stock). Do I drag out my heater and escapement meter if I have a pallet fork that one stone doesn't have the correct amount of lock on it? Well that depends if it is a fork that I can get easily and for little money. Do I take the time to make a staff when one is available for $12, or one is close that I can quickly modify to work?

Being efficient is what earns me a living, and if I start repairing all the parts that are cheap and readily available I either don't make money on the repair, or I end up charging the customer for labour that really isn't necessary. Not fair to me or the customer, and there has to be a balance in how you approach things.

You present this as an "either/or" scenario, when it's really not in most cases, and I think that is a bit unfair to those who work in a service center setting. Just because your service center job requires you to replace parts, doesn't mean that's all you can do.

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Thanks for the reply - good to see that at least part of the process is supervised. Curious if you had to submit the watches that you serviced for evaluation both before and after service?

In the US the AWCI, or AWI as it was known back when this system was in place, used a similar system of sending in watches that you had serviced for evaluation. When the companies started to move to certifying individual watchmakers, they would not accept the old CW and CMW certifications that were done under this system due to the issues with cheating (sending in watches that you didn't service yourself). As a result they developed (with the input of several brands, but mostly Rolex) the CW21 and CMW21 exam system.

The exam has to be done in person, and includes a written portion, plus servicing of 3 complete watches, and a micro-mechanical portion. The reason I asked the question above is that when you write the exam, you get the watches you will work on given to you (with induced faults of course), and before you start you spend time filling out a form that shows what is currently wrong with the watch. So if the case has a scratch or dent you mark it down. If the dial is scratched or the hands, or a movement plate etc. all that has to be documented, because if you don't they will assume you did the damage and you will lose marks for it. Also, if you lost or broke a part, you could not just pull a spare out of a drawer, you had to get one from the instructor, and if you did you lost marks for that. I can't see how any of this can be done if you are mailing a watch to someone who has never seen it before and has no idea what you replaced during the service.

Not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but as you can see there are different approaches to how to certify people.

Cheers, Al

Thanks for the follow up Al. Great insight and information.

When I answered Chris I only included part of the requirements directed towards his questions, I did not include the whole certification process for a Professional Grade membership, as you can see below it's quite extensive:

Note: each theory exams consist of 4 multi part essay answer type questions, requiring in most cases sketches/drawings detailing the answer, and a 20 question short answer section. Allotted time is 2.5 hours and only by writing and drawing as fast as possible was I able to finish the whole exam in the allotted time.
Record of Repairs - these are the watches I supply and are assessed by a M/FBHI, I don't have the course syllabus at my disposal, the quantities of each type/ligne are from memory, but give an idea of the requirements. They are not inspected by my mentor before I do the work, I guess it comes down to trust in each other, and honesty by me at the bench...no one is looking over my shoulder, but I know the difference and I have a concience, cheating myself is not my style, I signed up for the DLC to learn the trade and become a professional.

This is what I did, the Tech Grade has been updates, but the same process overall still applies, the Professional Grade is yet to be updated, but the exams are slightly different under the new Diploma Program, I think there are two more exams, drawing and chrono faulted movement service.

TECHNICIAN GRADE

1 Theory exam, 4 essay questions, 20 short answer
2 Workshop process, making a part at your workshop, i.e. clock rack tail
3 Record of Repairs - Servicing of 10 watches, 5 of which are complete case and bracelet/strap, any mechanical type accepted

PROFESSIONAL GRADE

Intermediate
1 Theory exam, 4 essay questions, 20 short answer - theory of clocks and watches and their repair
2 Workshop process, making a part at your workshop, fabricate and install balance staff, ETA 6497 with faults, fabricate and install: set lever, stem and clutch pinion lever, service movement.
3 Record of Repairs - Servicing of 15 watches, 5 smaller than 7 3/4''', 5 complete, 5 automatic with calendar, 5 waterproof test
4 BHI supplied defective Quartz watch, service, identify repair faults
5 BHI supplied defective mechanical watch, service, identify repair faults

Final
1 Theory exam, 4 essay questions, 20 short answer - theory of clocks and watches and their repair
2 Record of Repairs - Servicing of 15 watches, 5 automatics, 3 chronograph, 5 cased complete watches, 5 quartz - including all factory specified tests
3 In person at BHI HQ - BHI supplied defective stop watch, service, identify repair faults
4 In person at BHI HQ - BHI supplied defective automatic watch, service, identify repair faults, waterproof test
5 In person at BHI HQ - Theory exam, 4 essay questions, 20 short answer - watch restoration and conservation

PORTFOLIO
5 complete watches each requiring a minimum of 2 significant repairs and 2 significant parts fabrication, along with a 8 page documentation including photo's and sketches, and justification of the work done and some research on the watch/materials used/etc, as well as a Record of Repairs for each watch.

PROFESSIONAL PRACTICES ASSESSMENT

In person workshop review with the BHI Standards Director, basically a grilling for 2 hours about your workshop practices, documentation, work done, tooling availability, various "what if" scenarios covering all types of repairs, restorations and conservations - when and where and how you would react to various customer scenarios, contents of the BHI Code of Practice, etc.

REFERENCES

Two references - Member or Fellow Grade BHI who can vouch for you.

In summary, to qualify for a Professional Member of the BHI you must complete:

Written exams - 4
Workshop process fabricating parts - 4
Servicing - 40 watches
Servicing fault induced watches from BHI - 5
Portfolio -5 watches
Professional Practices Assessment
References

I think that's about it, I may have overlooked something minor.

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Just a few comments I want to make here - not picking at you, but just giving a different (possibly more balanced) perspective.

Good discussion, no offence taken or meant in any of my comments and feedback.

Being efficient is what earns me a living, and if I start repairing all the parts that are cheap and readily available I either don't make money on the repair, or I end up charging the customer for labour that really isn't necessary. Not fair to me or the customer, and there has to be a balance in how you approach things.

You present this as an "either/or" scenario, when it's really not in most cases, and I think that is a bit unfair to those who work in a service center setting. Just because your service center job requires you to replace parts, doesn't mean that's all you can do.

Cheers, Al

It wasn't my intention of presenting my comments as an "either/or" scenario, that's the french-english translator function not fully working as it should...(must be due to middle age)...

Regarding the service centres - my comments were directed at the "Service Centre" policy and not the employed watchmakers. Knowing the entry requirements - mostly WOSTEP here and in the UK - I am well aware of the skill set of the watchmakers who choose to work at a Service Centre, sadly and much to their frustrations, they don't get to use the skills they worked so hard to achieve. Which is probably why I constantly see a lot of ads for watchmakers at Service Centres. I would never be able to work in that environment, not my style at all.

Regarding the making of parts vs replacement. Again, my comment was aimed at the reality that not all parts are available for all watches that cross the bench: parts could be unavailable either due to age, rarity, lack of access to spares, etc. So, given those concerns, and the reality of the Swiss parts embargo upon us right now, if you are trained and equipped to repair/make replacement parts - you can in many cases repair the movement.

Without a doubt whenever I come across a damaged part, my first reaction is to see if I can source a replacement, rarely does a replacement part cost out as more expensive than a repair/fabrication.

But in some cases you have to make new parts, example the Patek pocket watch with the broken escape wheel arbor, no spares, no sources of old movements, so the fix had to require repair.

If you are considering taking up some type of training in watchmaking, then I think it's important to answer the basic question, what exactly do you want to be able to do? Knowing that will direct you towards the best training for your particular interest/skill set/available time, etc...

I hope this clears up my earlier commentary.

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Rob, could you tell us the difference between a MBHI and a FBHI please?

Yes I can...

The entry level Professional Qualification is - Member of the British Horological Institute.

The top level is a "Fellowship" or Fellow of the British Horological Institute.

Under the new Diploma exams, if you complete the Level 5 program (BA, BSc equivalent) you qualify for a Fellow grade.

In my case, having completed the training under the original "Certificate" program, I am at the "Member" grade, only old age and experience (if I live that long...) or two more exams - servicing of a fault induced 7750 chrono, along with a technical drawing, will qualify me for a Fellowship. While I could do the 2 extra exams and become a Fellow, after 4 years of hard work and study, I need a break (each grade comes in a 3" binder of double sided A4 paper...lots of material to absorb...).

From a customer perspective, I don't think a Fellowship would bring in more clients and I don't think they would care either way what I was, as long as I had some type of professional training and certification.
 
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Regarding the service centres - my comments were directed at the "Service Centre" policy and not the employed watchmakers. Knowing the entry requirements - mostly WOSTEP here and in the UK - I am well aware of the skill set of the watchmakers who choose to work at a Service Centre, sadly and much to their frustrations, they don't get to use the skills they worked so hard to achieve. Which is probably why I constantly see a lot of ads for watchmakers at Service Centres. I would never be able to work in that environment, not my style at all.

Not mine either, but I can appreciate the myriad of reasons why someone would chose that over being an independent watchmaker, which outside of a very few restoration shops that some brands run, would be the only place where you would be regularly making or repairing parts.

Being an independent allows you to work to the level you want, so for example brand timing specs are a mere starting rather than an end point. One of my instructors always said that at Rolex as soon as the watch met their specs for delta and average rates, it moved on - there was no real attempt to optimize it any more than simply meeting the requirements. Not something I could really live with day to say.

But there are certainly drawbacks to being an independent. Parts being one of them - bit of a chicken and egg thing in some ways I guess. One way to ensure you won't have trouble getting parts is to work for the company that makes the watches. But if you don't, you may have to make parts that you would otherwise have access to.

Not everyone has the capital required to equip a shop properly, and not everyone wants to deal with the hassles of being a small business owner. Not everyone wants to deal with lawyers, accountants, the tax man, and all the things about being an independent watchmaker that have nothing to do with actual watchmaking. A service center offers steady work (although that's no a problem for me personally), steady pay, and likely benefits. I rely on my wife's benefits through her work for most things, as getting private coverage for me alone is simply too expensive.

And lastly, some people just don't want to deal with customers - oh those customers, but since a lot of them read this I won't go into details here... 😉

Seriously most customers are great and many I consider friends, but you inevitably get a few that drive you up the wall. So yes a service center can be soul sucking work I expect, where not only do you not use all your skills, but you may be required to use techniques that you were taught were completely wrong, but for some this is preferred to the challenges of being out on your own. I don't fault them for that choice, even though it would not be mine.

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When I answered Chris I only included part of the requirements directed towards his questions, I did not include the whole certification process for a Professional Grade membership, as you can see below it's quite extensive:

Although you refer to this as certification, it's really a distance learning course (correspondence course) that teaches you watchmaking, with a certificate being awarded at the end. This is replicating the best it can actually going to a watchmaking school and completing a curriculum if I understand it correctly.

This differs from the AWCI CW21, as that is certification only - there is no practice, learning, or teaching component involved, as it's meant for those who are already watchmakers. There is no progression through a course, so in a way you essentially walk in off the street, write the 1/2 day written exam and finish the 3 watches (quartz, automatic, and 7750 chronograph all with induced errors) plus the micro-mechanical test in 3.5 days. If you pass all 5 portions of the test, you get your certificate (several months down the road).

I think now most of the older watchmakers who were going to take the certification test to keep their Rolex accounts have done so. The majority of the tests being done now are by graduating students of WOSTEP and SAWTA schools in the US as an addition to their diplomas from the school.

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I've read the last dozen or so posts keenly and its been interesting to get some insight into the various options. This is just a note to say thanks to Al and Rob for presenting all of this information and their opinions.

Might point someone here the next time there is a thread along the lines of "I want to be a Watchmaker". Certainly, as you both said it in different ways, the important question is " What sort of Watchmaker do you want to be?". From my point of view, I'm still thinking about it and this has helped.

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This is the latest news from Cousins slanted towards their case with Swatch but it is about the same case.

Earlier this week, the European General Court gave its ruling in the case that CEAHR brought against the EU Commission. The Court ruled that it could not overturn the findings of the second Commission investigation, which was closed on the ground of ‘administrative priorities’. The Commission is under no obligation to investigate every complaint if it believes there is insufficient justification for the costs of an investigation. The Court confirmed the Commission’s assessment, and found that the Commission was within its powers to close the investigation without making a final finding of infringement or non-infringement. This ruling has not changed anything for Cousins in its legal dispute with Swatch, and the English courts remain free to find that that the conduct of the Swiss watch manufacturers is anti-competitive.

The onus was always on CEAHR to demonstrate where the Commission had got its reasoning wrong, and reading through the judgment it becomes clear that CEAHR just did not produce sufficient evidence to support their arguments, refuting the findings of the EU Commission.

From the moment Cousins first considered taking action against Swatch, we knew that evidence was the key to winning. We applied to be an intervener in support of the CEAHR position and the need for an investigation, in the same way LVMH, Rolex, and Swatch intervened to support the closure of the investigation. The EU Court refused our application on the basis that CEAHR represent watch repairers, and as Cousins is a parts supplier not a repairer, we were not directly involved in the European proceedings. The opportunity for Cousins to present its arguments and evidence proving the anti-competitive nature of Swatch’s conduct to the English High Court will come in due course.

Kind Regards

Anthony Cousins
Managing Director, Cousins Material House Ltd.


The original is here. From their point of view, it means they'll still be pursuing Swatch through the courts. I can't see this comingto a conclusion soon.

Cheers, Chris