Stupid guys who melt watch cases

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Hi for all,

Yesterday I bought a working cal 342 movement with a beautiful dial. Unfortunately the case was melted, there are a lot of stupid people in this world.
Now I hope to find a good case for this movement.

Regards,

Paulo

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Part of the problem as I see it is that many collectors (myself included) decline the opportunity to make an offer on a watch in a gold case, when you know the case will be melted, if the watch is not one that we want in our collection. I’ve had that happen many times over the decades I’ve been a collector. I’m a collector, not a rescuer. I weighed a gold case on a 24-jewel Illinois pocket watch for a guy, some years ago. He’d made a handshake deal with a gold buyer. I offered the same price for the watch as he’d been offered for the case. He turned me down. Six months later, he offered to sell me the movement for $500.00! I hope he didn’t try to put it where I suggested he put it!
 
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Not stupid. Back in 1980. Gold was worth $800 an ounce.. probably more than the watch was worth. Nobody really cared about the movement. People were grabbing up every scrape of gold they could find to sell it.

this why you see a lot of orphan PW movements. Silver and gold case sold for scrap. Nobody carried a PW anymore back then and food on the table or rent was more important than uncle Joes watch.

even today. Loads of scrap gold buyers out there and I’m sure people are selling their grandpas PW for quick cash
 
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Lots of stupid stuff occurs in the world. In the US FDR issued Executive Order 6102 in 1933 which required Americans to surrender their gold coins, bullion and gold certificates except for a token amount (5 oz), it also eventually allowed FDR to arbitrarily set the gold price. When ownership of coins and bullion was finally legalized again in 1974 it set off a frenzy and the price of gold started its climb from the official, artificially low price of $35. It's no wonder all manner of gold watch cases, jewelry and other forms of gold were sold to be melted and repurposed. As always follow the money trail, people don't give a damn if that watch case is 'valuable' to the movement or if that Van Cleef and Arpels gold broach is significant....it's just gold to be melted. Human nature.
 
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It seems daft but many collectors don’t value solid gold watches, particularly those less desirable references with less than perfect dials, at the spot price of the metal.
If people don’t put their money where their mouth is, of course sellers sell to the scrap man
 
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It seems daft but many collectors don’t value solid gold watches, particularly those less desirable references with less than perfect dials, at the spot price of the metal.
If people don’t put their money where their mouth is, of course sellers sell to the scrap man
Agree, many people have a (irrational?) phobia about a gold watch. Often it's the price, but often just a dislike for gold whether yg, wg or pg for whatever reason. So the cases often get melted down.
 
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I have one gold watch I got for scrap price (in like 1996.) A tiny ladies saffette with 8 diamonds. Probably should have purchaced more. And the Gent's sizes as well. Gold though is not my color. I am more mercurial preferring silver and the moon.

In the Jewry classes I think gold was around 300 or so at the time. I played about with the stuff. May have some scrap bezel wire somewhere.

I did look into casemaking. Which in my opinion is at a similar level to hairspring work.

The San Francisco chapter of the NAWCC was founded and named for a Dr. Stevens. I do not remember his first name. His picture was on the membership cards and badges. He also was part of the California Academy of Science. Known to most as the 'Aquarium' This is now a high value 'Amusment Park.' aka Tourist trap with like a 50USD admission price.

Dr Stevens was a 'Dentist.' who liked to collect rocks and mineral samples. His customers liked to pay him in kind. Clocks, watches etc. He would then throw the mechanics out and use the cases to display his 'gems.'

Then as the story goes, one day he looked at a movement and wanted to know who Breguet was as the watch was rather nice. Some of the fancy clocks where made by a guy named 'Merlin' and had elephants on them. So like many before and after he became a proponent of 'Preservation.'

By the time I became active in the chapter (as Secretary.) The city wanted to sell this collection and pay their salaries for a month. Thing is that the will forbid this. The Academy however had changed is mission to being a 'Natural History' or Anthropology museum. Technical Science they said was the purview of the Explorotorium. The Academy also wanted to re-write some of its dark history. (There was an optical shop in the basement. for the planetarium) This was used to manufacture Binoculars for the War, and possibly Norton Bomb sites.

Ironically the Explorotorium was founded by Frank Oppenheimer.

Eventually through the work of other chapter members, the collection was offered as a permanent loan to the National Museum in Columbia PA. When I was there in the early 2000s about one in every three Items was credited to this collection.

When I saw the collection in the 1990s it was on the second floor of the academy. Viewable by invitation only. The watches were in a museum safe. Some of the watches were probably in the million dollar range. A similar collection in Chicago was broken up and sold around that time.

The real tragedy of this story is that this stuff was not on display. To inspire other children such as myself. I sort of remember it. But by the time I was in the process of learning more, it was not there to inspire others.

There was also a change, to teach fear. As fear is more exiting and emotional than anything else. Much of what the Academy now teaches is fear. That we must be afraid of technology lest it destroy our world. Nature is something that must be feared and not changed or tamed.

This my be why I dislike gold. Gold is also used to misrepresent things.

There is another irony as well. What also relates to Executive Order 6102. Metals like copper tin, lead and mercury were needed for the war effort. So the magnets for the cyclotrons (mostly at Oak Ridge, but probably Hanford as well. were wound with silver (and gold wire.) This was tracked as carefully as the tubealloy these machines were making.

At one time I thought the 1943 house I live in might have silver wiring. (it oxidizes black.) but when I cut into it it is copper.

Few people remember the Hunt Brothers. New Gold mines are open every day. In the 1970s no new silver mines had been opened since 1913 or so. By coincidence. the main user of silver (coliodial photography.) Switched to digital. Silver is also easy to recover from wastewater and mine tailing. It was really silver that made San Francisco, the powerhouse it is. And that silver came mostly from Nevada.

Silver gets scrapped, because like the moon it turns black over time. Which I find an interesting coincidence.

Hans Anderson's story about the dog and the soldier, probably puts it best. Although copper probably in the long run is the best investment. Especially in times of war.

Anderson also wrote a story called 'The most amazing thing.' Not one of his better known stories (an allegory for this topic.) To save time I link the wiki (and see the title translation is slightly different from copy I had.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Incredible_Thing