speedy prototype at drcrott

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What, Hodinkee being dishonest and pushing Watches of questionable origin at ridiculous prices? That can't be, the "our founder" would never allow such morally corrupted thing to happen.
Please don't tell me that doesn't exist?😗
 
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Call me an optimist, but I’d still like to believe it’s a case of ignorance as opposed to actively trying to push sketchy lots. But of all the Speedmasters, and watches in general, coming up for auction, what a terrible one to pick to endorse. Likely the worst one to pick
 
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well, I guess MAYBE it is a prototype after all... there's a chance, right? 😬
 
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well, I guess MAYBE it is a prototype after all... there's a chance, right? 😬

One in a million?
 
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well, I guess MAYBE it is a prototype after all... there's a chance, right? 😬

If you ask the Heritage team, they will certainly reply « no fakkin way » or something of that kind 😗

One in a million?

Way too optimistic 😉
 
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just for posterity...

Omega "Speedmaster Professional"
, Movement No. 0001642, Case No. 2413, Cal. 861, 42 mm, circa 1970

An important Omega PROTOTYPE with chronograph, 30-minute and 12-hour counters, subsidiary seconds, tachy scale and bidirectional rotating bezel with 60 minutes division

Case: steel, screw back, anti-magnetic protection cap, folded "Omega" steel bracelet ref. 1039 with deployant clasp dated 1/69, endlinks stamped 516, bracelet length 145 mm, total length 180 mm. Dial: black, silver tachy scale.

The statement made by the Omega museum on September 17, 2019 says: "Il s'agit bien d'un prototype Speedmaster avec lunette tournante mais malheureusement pas d'extrait possible car les archives ne répertorie pas les prototypes avec les mouvements commençant par '0000'" ("This is a SPEEDMASTER-PROTOTYPE with rotating bezel, but unfortunately a copy from the archives cannot be produced because prototypes with movement numbers starting with "000" are not listed in the records.").

There are several differences between this prototype and other Speedmaster Professionals – the silvery tachy scale sits on the dial and not on the bezel as is conventional practice. The bezel is bi-directional with 60-minute divisions. The otherwise blank caseback does not carry the usual Speedmaster Professional six-figure reference number but the four-figure number "2413" near the edge and seems to be for internal records purposes in reference to the project.

The authenticity of this prototype is confirmed and offers a unique chance to purchase a timepiece which, to the best of our knowledge, has never been offered on the market with a dial/bezel combination of this kind.
#49095
Case: very good, slightly worn
Dial: very good
Movm.: very good, capable of running, cleaning recommended
 
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"The otherwise blank caseback does not carry the usual Speedmaster Professional six-figure reference number but the four-figure number "2413" near the edge and seems to be for internal records purposes in reference to the project."

Do mean kinda like this "2407" near the edge of this Record Geneve? 🍿

 
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"The otherwise blank caseback does not carry the usual Speedmaster Professional six-figure reference number but the four-figure number "2413" near the edge and seems to be for internal records purposes in reference to the project."

Do mean kinda like this "2407" near the edge of this Record Geneve? 🍿

Wow! Well then, that 100% closes the case on this one. Complete put together piece of crap! This real puts me off from bidding on anything from Dr Crott
 
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Both companies totally failed the opportunity to amend their descriptions after they got informed. Unless someone gives me a valid reason for behaving as such, I will consider both did it on purpose.
 
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(For the German speakers) henceforth known as ‘Dr Kot’...
(what I have been calling this auction house since the start of this thread)
 
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(For the German speakers) henceforth known as ‘Dr Kot’...
(what I have been calling this auction house since the start of this thread)



btw that’s what ‘Crott’ literally means in French. Great minds... 👍
 
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Yeah, quite a few similar cases on ebay... weird.
Wait so are these cases fake?
 
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Wait so are these cases fake?
Not fake, rather part of a rather large batch of HF cases floating around, that doesn’t appear to be made for Omega
 
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Not fake, rather part of a rather large batch of HF cases floating around, that doesn’t appear to be made for Omega
I wouldn't call it fake, prototype material is the right term. I'm currently building my "Patek on the Moon" prototype. To be found at your nearest auction or Watchblog.
 
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Just out of curiosity, what watch DOES this case belong to? So far it seems we can only find questionable/ all-out wrong applications; now I'm wondering what would be correct for these mystery cases. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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Just out of curiosity, what watch DOES this case belong to? So far it seems we can only find questionable/ all-out wrong applications; now I'm wondering what would be correct for these mystery cases. Anyone have any ideas?

As @redpcar found out it is with ~80-90% probability this but with a black outer bezel.