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Hi guys

I need to be help about the sn of this old Speedy. Normally the 70's production has stamped 8 digit ( for example

24 millions....). But this one is only 2 millions...Crazy!

Any Ideas why???

Thank You in advance. Best

Alberto

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Movement looks like an 863 if I see right. Maybe some more pictures? Sounds like that caliber didn't exist until the 80's.

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-professional-caliber-863-reference-359250/

"That changed in 1985. Omega started using the caliber 863 movement, based on the same Lemania 1873 movement. However, the caliber 863 (and later 1863) are the nicer finished versions of the 861 and 1861. The first Speedmaster Professional to feature caliber 863 movement was reference 345.0808. This reference was produced between 1985 and 1990. There are a couple of variations of that reference, with a total production of approximately 2000 pieces (but not as limited editions, rather as numbered). Then, from 1989 onwards, the Speedmaster Pro with display back became regular production instead of numbered series"
 
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please, if you like more photographs about this movement, very interest i have
 
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Hi guys

I need to be help about the sn of this old Speedy. Normally the 70's production has stamped 8 digit ( for example

24 millions....). But this one is only 2 millions...Crazy!

Any Ideas why???

Thank You in advance. Best

Alberto

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It's not a genuine Omega 863 movement, probably in franken-fake watch.
 
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Why did You say it is not original???


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I didn't say it's "not original". I said it's "not genuine" - as in fake, counterfeit, not genuinely made by Omega. Reasons are the wrong serial number and you should look up how an 863 movement look and compare to what you have here.
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On the right side there is another mine 145.022-69 to compare.....case, pushers, bezel, cristal ( saphir domed..??..) etc are completely different
 
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In my personal opinion it is a Nasa/Omega watch tester


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COMPARISON

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Movement looks like an 863 if I see right. Maybe some more pictures? Sounds like that caliber didn't exist until the 80's.

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-professional-caliber-863-reference-359250/

"That changed in 1985. Omega started using the caliber 863 movement, based on the same Lemania 1873 movement. However, the caliber 863 (and later 1863) are the nicer finished versions of the 861 and 1861. The first Speedmaster Professional to feature caliber 863 movement was reference 345.0808. This reference was produced between 1985 and 1990. There are a couple of variations of that reference, with a total production of approximately 2000 pieces (but not as limited editions, rather as numbered). Then, from 1989 onwards, the Speedmaster Pro with display back became regular production instead of numbered series"
Fratello got it almost right, but;
One detail: both from MWO and the original German text, the first steel display backs were both limited and numbered ("in einer limitierten und numerierten"). 1 000 watches with copper colored movement. The German text is almost the same as for the first display backs in gold, only 15 years has been changed to 20 years 😀 and the celebration this time "20 years qualified
for space” and/or as it says in the leaflet: Omega takes this anniversary to the cause - 20 years of collaboration with NASA - to produce a limited and numbered edition.
 
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In my personal opinion it is a Nasa/Omega watch tester


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COMPARISON

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The first watch is a franken-fake like I said in my first reply -nothing is genuinely Omega (could have come from that counterfeit seller in California).

The second one is not a correct -69, but is also a franken with what looks like a fake case as well.
 
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The first watch is a franken-fake like I said in my first reply -nothing is genuinely Omega (could have come from that counterfeit seller in California).

The second one is not a correct -69, but is also a franken with what looks like a fake case as well.
First shot is from NASA archives of Alaska Project II I think.

2nd shot is missing the inner ring or is sapphire? Modern dial variation wouldn't call it a 69.

Isn't there some notes somewhere about those dressed up movements having serial numbers way out of line? It's a metal brake which is correct for those early dressed up movements.
 
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First shot is from NASA archives of Alaska Project II I think
There's no snowball chance in hell.

Here's a real one:

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It's a 90's watch. The showy movements had odd ball serial numbers at first. I swear I've seen that in multiple places. Maybe I'm wrong on this but I could have sworn I've seen that notedbefore

It's not a 70's watch and not a prototype I never said that.

::EDIT::

out of sequence was 44m or 48m on the 863.
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All this means it is a concoction of parts from unknown origins.
Ha I didn't read that part. "Presumably from NASA", ok take my money
 
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Maybe someone can not or would not read what is written
 
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