Speedmaster Professional 145 022 68ST Dial Replacement or repair?

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I am now of the view that there is nothing special about the dial feet for the 68 transitional models - they are just regular 861 dial feet. I also believe the dial feet for the 861/1861 models are the same size, as they have to fit into the hole in the main plate. 321 dials can be fitted by filing the feet.

I believe the dial feet should fit. Sometimes, if the dial is from a 321, the feet are filed down to fit the 861.

The dial feet are 0.95 x 2.75 long for the 861

Just my 0.0002c worth - I would keep the original dial in this watch as is - it is a beautifully battle scarred dial complete with memories. Sure, buy another dial (at todays prices) in case this evaporates on you or a family member in the distant future 😁. Personally I have changed dials to make them "more attractive" and have just wasted money.

I would most likely want to contact someone in an attempt to apply some unguent to stop the spread of any further rust cancer. If you did want to have it restored ro some of its past glory then I would contact LewiswatchCo in Australia to see what he could do.
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I’d also keep the original dial. It proudly displays the history and experiences the watch has been through.

If you do decide to swap it out, you could also consider a modern service dial. It would be cheaper than a vintage -69 dial and after all, neither would be original.
 
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I’d second leaving the existing parts on there. Yes they aren’t A1 collector condition but they add interest and value wise, you’ll likely be no further ahead of you purchase additional, period correct parts.

I’d leave the caseback exactly as it is but consider having the hands relumed. Is there lume remaining on the dial! If so I’d just leave that as is. If it’s gone (I can’t properly tell from the photos, I’d have that relumed at the same time as the hands). James Hyman in the UK would be my preference if it was my watch.


This. Just get the damaged area restored.

https://www.alchemistrelumer.co.uk/
 
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I am now of the view that there is nothing special about the dial feet for the 68 transitional models - they are just regular 861 dial feet. I also believe the dial feet for the 861/1861 models are the same size, as they have to fit into the hole in the main plate. 321 dials can be fitted by filing the feet.

I believe the dial feet should fit. Sometimes, if the dial is from a 321, the feet are filed down to fit the 861.

The dial feet are 0.95 x 2.75 long for the 861

Just my 0.0002c worth - I would keep the original dial in this watch as is - it is a beautifully battle scarred dial complete with memories. Sure, buy another dial (at todays prices) in case this evaporates on you or a family member in the distant future 😁. Personally I have changed dials to make them "more attractive" and have just wasted money.

I would most likely want to contact someone in an attempt to apply some unguent to stop the spread of any further rust cancer. If you did want to have it restored ro some of its past glory then I would contact LewiswatchCo in Australia to see what he could do.
I read your reply here after I read your PM to me, and just wanted to comment that you, as so many others on this forum, have really impressed me that perhaps the best thing is to keep the watch dial exactly "as-is", though I think your idea of having somebody treat the dial to prevent any future "rust cancer" is an EXCELLENT suggestion!

I love how you put it: "...it is a beautifully scarred dial complete with memories" So true! Now I think to myself, "why on earth would I want to hide that?"

Again, I just have to say thanks to all of you for helping me see the light LOL!
 
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I’d also keep the original dial. It proudly displays the history and experiences the watch has been through.

If you do decide to swap it out, you could also consider a modern service dial. It would be cheaper than a vintage -69 dial and after all, neither would be original.
ALl of you guys have made me realize that I should just keep the dial "as is". It does indeed "proudly display the history and experiences the watch has been through"

Thanks to all of you for setting me on the right path!
 
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I agree with most people here that this watch and its cosmetic imperfections result in a unique timepiece whose history is just as important as the Speedmaster itself. You simply can't dissociate the two without losing quite a lot in the process. Some adventurers proudly wear their scars, and I sort of feel it should be the same way about your watch.
 
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I agree with most people here that this watch and its cosmetic imperfections result in a unique timepiece whose history is just as important as the Speedmaster itself. You simply can't dissociate the two without losing quite a lot in the process. Some adventurers proudly wear their scars, and I sort of feel it should be the same way about your watch.
I now agree with all of you guys, and love the way you refer to the imperfections as "battle scars"; so well put 😀!

Thanks for taking the time to reply!
 
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I notice that William 101 does not have a rating for 'soul', even if it is taken into account, I guess it is too subjective.
 
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I notice that William 101 does not have a rating for 'soul', even if it is taken into account, I guess it is too subjective.

Isn’t ‘soul’ an amalgamation of attractiveness and correctness?
 
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Isn’t ‘soul’ an amalgamation of attractiveness and correctness?
I'm not going to argue the point, but I think even a plastic dustbin has a soul, it's just that it is not very 'big', as souls go.
 
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I notice that William 101 does not have a rating for 'soul', even if it is taken into account, I guess it is too subjective.

I think does. You just need to read between the lines
 
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I think does. You just need to read between the lines
He does, but it is hard to put a number to it.
 
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I'm not sure whether collectors are ultra appreciative of 'soul', or just want a bit more .. We are all different, and so are they.
 
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You could always have the dial replaced, but keep the original dial stored away once it's removed if you choose to do that. That way you have a fresh dial and hands for use, but still have the original dial/hands tucked away as part of the watch's history or if you ever wanted to swap back.
 
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That's a good thought 😀. I wish I had a real clear picture of the watch on my wrist while sailing but this is the best I could come up with. I post just for fun.


In case anyone's interested, here's the backstory on how my Speedmaster became damaged. During a bad storm mid-ocean, I was on deck at night reducing sail and a wave caught me off guard slamming my wrist against the mast. The force broke one of the pins holding the wristband to the watch, even though I had oversized pins installed. BTW, anyone else ever have this issue with Speedmasters? Because of the heavy weight of the watch, I was continually breaking those pins until Omega told me I could buy "heavy duty" pins.

Anyway, I felt the watch slip off my wrist, and my heart sank because, in the darkness, I was sure it had gone overboard!

It wasn't until several days later that I actually found the watch! Somehow it had found its' way into the bilge of the boat and was submerged under several inches of sea water. Once I replaced the broken pin and had it back on my wrist out under the sun I began to see condensation under the crystal and it became pretty obvious that Speedmaster may be water resistant but are not waterproof.

Even so, it ran and kept good time for the remainder of the voyage but over time afterwards, I could see the dial starting to look worse and worse, and when the crown broke off one day and I took it for repair, the back was removed, the internal damage from saltwater was obvious 🙁

Luckily the internal working were repairable but the dial was pretty messed up. This was how the watch looked when the back was opened, after the salt crystals were blown away:



It should be understood that the salt water damage occured after I had been wearing the watch daily for over four years of the sort of rigorous abuses that offshore sailing imposed on it, and that is testament to how rugged these watches really are.

Anyway, hope you enjoy the story 😀. I really love this watch, not so much because it is an Omega Speedmaster, but because of the memories of offshore adventures it evokes in me, and I think the advice a lot of you are giving me about leaving it "as is" is the right course of action. I think the only thing I will consider doing now is perhaps having the hands restored and relumed along with the dial markers since the luming is completely gone from them (all hopefully in a vintage look) as Pascs suggested.

Thank you to all who replied; I really appreciate it!

I wish I had had a fake Nato strap at the time, when dingy sailing, snorkeling, helming an ILB etc., but it was water skiing that did it for me. ( condensation )
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I know this comment doesn’t help you much, but honestly, that’s about the coolest reason I could imagine for that patina / dial damage and there’s no way I’d ever address it with a replacement dial.

How many people have a story like this for a watch they’ve owned for decades and used in the toughest conditions?

Same goes for the engraved name, by the way. Of course it’s obviously a shoddy job, but accompanied by your story I feel 100% sympathetic about it. 😀

Wear it in good health. When someone actually criticizes the condition, just smile and remember what the two of you have gone through.
+1 change nothing, its perfect. Most of us dream of a piece like that where we inflicted every dent and scratch over a quarter Centuary of ownership.
 
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+1 change nothing, its perfect. Most of us dream of a piece like that where we inflicted every dent and scratch over a quarter Centuary of ownership.
Agree completely - while most of us mere mortals wax on about escapades of previous owners, yours tells your compelling story!

I would also leave the engraving on the caseback, as it is part of the story. Your loved ones will appreciate it long after you are gone (not that that would be anytime soon, I hope).
 
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I promised someone on the forum I would post a picture of the rebuilding of my Speedmaster after it was heavily damaged during a solo Trans-Atlantic sailing trip back in 1971.I never got around to it...until now.

Just to recap, The watch was a 1968 Omega Speedmaster 145.022-68 ST. My parents bought it for me as a high school graduation gift, and I needed a good watch for offshore sailing since I was planning to sail solo from the US to England that summer. This was back in the days before GPS when a high-quality chronometer was essential for navigation. So that's how a dumb 18 year old kid found himself in possession of such a fine watch

On the 23rd day of the voyage I encountered a bad storm during the night just south of Newfoundland Shoals. The seas grew and grew until it became a survival storm. To this day, it was the worst storm I have ever encountered!

I was up on the foredeck trying to reduce sail in pitch blackness when I got hit by a freak wave that slammed me against the mast with such force that I thought I had broken my arm! My wrist slammed into the mast hitting the watch and I felt the wristband slide off my wrist. I was sure it went overboard and was now on its way down a couple of thousand fathoms to the bottom of the ocean. This was indeed a survival storm so losing the watch was not my main concern, surviving the storm was.

I survived the storm but over the next few days was depressed about the watch until one day when I was changing the engine oil and saw something shiny in the bilge...It was my watch! It had somehow made it's way down into the bilge! I was ecstatic to find it, and it was still ticking!

My thrill at finding my beloved watch only lasted a few days. As I began wearing it, I started noticing condensation under the crystal. Salt water had obviously gotten inside the watch!

Long story short, the watch continued to run for a while but gradually the face of the watch started showing signs or corrosion, the markings and lume started showing increasing signs of damage. Then one day the winding stem came off, and I sadly retired the watch to a dresser drawer for several years until I finally started thinking about resurrecting it.

Omega wouldn't touch it, claiming it was beyond repair. Through this forum I found a master horologist with credentials for working on Omega watches. He took a look and said he could completely restore it mechanically though I'd have to live with the dial's cosmetic damage unless I wanted to spend thousands to find a replacement.

At first I thought of doing that, but then someone of this forums suggested I just leave it as is. He said I should think of it as "battle scars" and be proud of that. And you know what? He was right! Even though a collector would scoff at the look of my watch, I love it! Every time I look at it, it reminds me of being an 18 year old kid on an epic sailing adventure. Even if someone paid me, I wouldn't replace the face. So thanks to whoever suggested that to me on this forum!

So, anyway I went ahead and spent $700 to repair it and now have a fully functioning watch with a sort of ugly dial on it LOL I prefer to think of the dial as "battle scars" of that fateful trip, rather than a flaw. I mean, I am not a watch collector. This watch was used as it was intended, and used very hard! Now, 55 years later, it is still running just fine. Imagine that...55 YEARS!!!

Anyway, here are a few pictures from the rebuild:

The permanent damage to the face:


The internal watch repair using Omega parts:


The finished repair:


Internal Shot after repair:


Case back (inside)


I plan to keep the watch, but I've been very curious what this watch might be worth in today's market. Can anyone hazard a guess? I've checked eBay and other sources but it seems that the 145 022 68ST Transitional model is very rare and I could only find a couple of listings, and they were all pristine collector's models, which mine is obviously not.

According to Speedmaster 101.com poor models shoudl fetch $3000 and fair models around $3,800. I'm not sure how to rate this watch because, mechanically it is excellent, but cosmetically, not so much. I think of the damage as "battle scars" and I actually like the look. It shows an Omega Speedmaster that was was really used for its' intended purpose, not merely as a collector's showpiece....but that's just me 😀

Anyway, any ideas, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks!

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Did you ever contact Omega and tell them your story? Your watch would make a nice addition to their museum collection.