Speedmaster Professional 145 022 68ST Dial Replacement or repair?

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I agree 100%. The original poster wore this watch on a solo transatlantic journey when he was 15 years old! I wouldn’t change a thing on the watch, including the dial and the caseback, and just wear it. Memories like that are worth more than the watch.
Actually, just to be clear, I got the watch when I was 15 as I began sailing solo offshore but actually I was 19 when I made the transatlantic crossing. 😀
 
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After all the feedback I'm getting from you guys I think I'll leave the dial "as is". However, I am curious what you mean by having it "stabilized"?

It actually looks a lot better inside the case as opposed to the picture I posted with it outside the case. BTW, this picture is from before it was restored (note the missing crown). Believe it or not I have no pictures of it after restoration because I just never thought of taking pictures of it (which I should have done) and now it is being stored for me in the US while I am overseas.



Anyway, I appreciate all the excellent advice you guys are giving me 😀. This is a great forum!
Stabilizing the lume if it needs it
 
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Stabilizing the lume if it needs it
Can you suggest anyone who has a good reputation for doing this in a way that maintains a vintage look to the watch?
 
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Interestingly, my Ed White Speedmaster was bought by me from the original owner who also bought it new in the 60’s for the sole purpose of timing dingy/sail boat races in the north of England.
I remember back in the 1960's most sailors coveted the Omega Speedmasters over the Seamaster, and over any other watch including the Rolex Submariners. I know that for me personally, the chronograph function is what made it so good for offshore sailing since you used it to mark the time between your sextant site and the international WWV time signal announced every 60 seconds on HF radios (back before GPS was available)
 
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when i was a kid i read a book about a boy who sailed around the world, you lived it!
that personal history, i wouldn't change a single thing about it.

FYI: it took me three years to find a '68 transitional dial, and paid $1000 for it.
 
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when i was a kid i read a book about a boy who sailed around the world, you lived it!
that personal history, i wouldn't change a single thing about it.

FYI: it took me three years to find a '68 transitional dial, and paid $1000 for it.

I think you may be referring to Robin Lee Graham and his boat "Dove". It was a pretty remarkable undertaking considering that he was only 16 at the start, and for most of the voyage he sailed a tiny 24 foot sloop that wasn't really the most seaworthy of vessels.

You might be interested to know that back in 1968 my parents paid $175 for my Speedmaster. That was the retail price (new) back then! Pretty far cry from what a perfect-condition one goes for today!
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I think you may be referring to Robin Lee Graham and his boat "Dove". It was a pretty remarkable undertaking considering that he was only 16 at the start, and for most of the voyage he sailed a tiny 24 foot sloop that wasn't really the most seaworthy of vessels.
yes, that was the one, and sailed with kitties.
great adventure, indeed.
You might be interested to know that back in 1968 my parents paid $175 for my Speedmaster. That was the retail price (new) back then! Pretty far cry from what a perfect-condition one goes for today!
hindsight eh? that was a pretty penny back then.

and still this site shows:
Value of $175 in 1968. Inflation Calculator for Today's Dollars
https://www.saving.org › inflation › inflation › year=19...


$175 in 1968 equals $1,344.63 in 2021.

i'll. take two at that price today 😉
 
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Lovely watch with an amazing history. James Hymas (thealchemistrelumer on IG) is definitely the go to guy for relumes, but if it was me I would ask him just to stabilize the lume in the hands (prevent it to flake out any further) and fill the empty spaces with a black colored lume matching what’s already there.

A full relume although tempting would make this watch look totally different, more attractive yes, but not as cool. I personally prefer installing a new crystal and saving the scratched crystal in the parts bin, I understand some people prefer to leave those scratched crystal but to me its an eye sore, plus the original one can always be reinstalled for originality purpose.

Thanks for sharing
 
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Thanks for sharing this watch and its history with us. If this watch belonged to me, I would send it off to Adam Lewis at https://www.lewiswatchco.com/ and let him decide how best to service and preserve the watch for the future. He's personally worked on my 1968 Speedmaster and did an amazing job on it. He will find the right combination of servicing to make it run correctly, restoring where it makes sense and preserving to keep the value and history of the piece, after which it should be good for another 50 years of adventures (with the occasional maintenance service work along the way of course). Good luck!
 
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Thanks for sharing this watch and its history with us. If this watch belonged to me, I would send it off to Adam Lewis at https://www.lewiswatchco.com/ and let him decide how best to service and preserve the watch for the future. He's personally worked on my 1968 Speedmaster and did an amazing job on it. He will find the right combination of servicing to make it run correctly, restoring where it makes sense and preserving to keep the value and history of the piece, after which it should be good for another 50 years of adventures (with the occasional maintenance service work along the way of course). Good luck!

I would do exactly the same - in fact, I did and have continued to do so on many occasions with my vintage pieces. 😁
 
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I was talking to a bloke today who bought his 145.022 in 1969 or '70 for £125 -- a large amount then for a working class man. Heck, still not a small sum for your average chap on the street.
 
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Hello Everyone,
I have a question I hope somebody can answer for me. I used to know the answer but I can't find it anywhere in my notes now.

I have an Omega "transitional" Speedmaster (145.022-68ST). I had originally considered selling the watch but have decided to keep it. The original dial simply looks horrible (due to salt water damage from my sailing mishap) I described earlier in this thread), as shown here:


I want to replace the dial but of course the cost to replace the original dial for the transitional model is astronomical (well over $3,000, even if you can find one).

However, I see a number of dials available at more reasonable costs for the 145.022-69 like this one for instance that sold on this forum for around $1,000 a while back:


MY QUESTION: Will the mounting lugs of this dial that fits a 145.022-69 also fit the 145.022-68ST?

I recognize that not having the original dial decreases the watches value but my goal is not to make it appealing to a collector. It is simply to have a nice looking watch. For all intents and purposes, the 69 version looks nice. The dial is stepped, and it has the *T Swiss T" marking even though it has teh painted Omega symbol instead of the metal one....but is sure would look nicer than m present dial!

Of course, I would keep the original dial, but I just want to have a watch that means so much to me look as nice as it can.
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Yes, I think so. Both dials go with 861 movements and use the same cases. I actually thought you were going to ask if you could use a dial for a 321 movement, which has a more nuanced answer.
 
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Hello Everyone,
I have a question I hope somebody can answer for me. I used to know the answer but I can't find it anywhere in my notes now.

I have an Omega "transitional" Speedmaster (145.022-68ST). I had originally considered selling the watch but have decided to keep it. The original dial simply looks horrible (due to salt water damage from my sailing mishap) I described earlier in this thread), as shown here:


I want to replace the dial but of course the cost to replace the original dial for the transitional model is astronomical (well over $3,000, even if you can find one).

However, I see a number of dials available at more reasonable costs for the 145.022-69 like this one for instance that sold on this forum for around $1,000 a while back:


MY QUESTION: Will the mounting lugs of this dial that fits a 145.022-69 also fit the 145.022-68ST?

I recognize that not having the original dial decreases the watches value but my goal is not to make it appealing to a collector. It is simply to have a nice looking watch. For all intents and purposes, the 69 version looks nice. The dial is stepped, and it has the *T Swiss T" marking even though it has teh painted Omega symbol instead of the metal one....but is sure would look nicer than m present dial!

Of course, I would keep the original dial, but I just want to have a watch that means so much to me look as nice as it can.

Sir, your story is remarkable. It is also fantastic that you both found your watch after it fell off and that you have it to this day.

May I respectfully suggest that you contact Omega through their customer service POC and share with them what you shared here about your journey and your watch. I believe they would be very interested to learn your story and may help you with a dial.

This would not be handled in the ordinary manner where any owner sends them their watch for service. They would need to treat it like the unique watch that it is. Perhaps they have one lone dial shoved away in a drawer waiting for the right person. It's a long shot for sure.

Even if they can't help you with the dial, I can’t imagine they wouldn't want to know about it and to meet you.

As for how it looks now, I think the original dial is one of the most beautiful I have ever seen. No amount of money could reproduce it.

Thanks for sharing your story and watch.
 
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Sir, your story is remarkable. It is also fantastic that you both found your watch after it fell off and that you have it to this day.

May I respectfully suggest that you contact Omega through their customer service POC and share with them what you shared here about your journey and your watch. I believe they would be very interested to learn your story and may help you with a dial.

This would not be handled in the ordinary manner where any owner sends them their watch for service. They would need to treat it like the unique watch that it is. Perhaps they have one lone dial shoved away in a drawer waiting for the right person. It's a long shot for sure.

Even if they can't help you with the dial, I can’t imagine they wouldn't want to know about it and to meet you.

As for how it looks now, I think the original dial is one of the most beautiful I have ever seen. No amount of money could reproduce it.

Thanks for sharing your story and watch.

That is an incredibly kind reply! I hadn't even considered contacting Omega but it certainly could not hurt so thanks for the suggestion!

I have to say that all of the members of this forum have just been so nice and helpful. That is not the case with many open forums I've run across where members seem more interested in making nasty troll-like comments instead of sharing useful information, and just participating in a like-minded community.

I have to admit that my original intent with my post here was to sell the watch at the best price possible btu a lot of the comments I received from forum members made me realize that this watch is far more valuable for me to keep and cherish not only for the memories it brings back to me of my sailing adventures some 50 years ago, but also of my dad who gave me the watch, and has now passed on.

As for the Speedmaster model itself, it really is a remarkable timepiece with an incredibly rich history. Unlike other high-end collectible watches like Rolex for instance, I think the Speedmaster was always, first and foremost, a watch that was intended to be used under rugged conditions, not merely purchased as a collector piece. Back in 1968, reliable chronometer watches were a vital item for offshore sailing since modern navigation technology such as GPS simply did not exist. You crossed an ocean just as they had done for hundreds of years...with a sextant and a watch.

It's kind of a sad thing today to see so many people venture offshore totally and not even know what a sextant is, and instead are totally reliant on things like GPS, satellite communications, and a whole host of modern conveniences that make it effortless to sail across the vast expanse of an ocean.

I'm happy to have grown up during a time when those things did not exist, and where crossing an ocean was a challenge that really meant something.

That's what my Speedmaster really is a testament to, and I have all of you guys to thank for reminding me of that!
 
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Sir, your story is remarkable. It is also fantastic that you both found your watch after it fell off and that you have it to this day.

May I respectfully suggest that you contact Omega through their customer service POC and share with them what you shared here about your journey and your watch. I believe they would be very interested to learn your story and may help you with a dial.

This would not be handled in the ordinary manner where any owner sends them their watch for service. They would need to treat it like the unique watch that it is. Perhaps they have one lone dial shoved away in a drawer waiting for the right person. It's a long shot for sure.

Even if they can't help you with the dial, I can’t imagine they wouldn't want to know about it and to meet you.

As for how it looks now, I think the original dial is one of the most beautiful I have ever seen. No amount of money could reproduce it.

Thanks for sharing your story and watch.

That is an incredibly kind reply! I hadn't even considered contacting Omega but it certainly could not hurt so thanks for the suggestion!

I have to say that all of the members of this forum have just been so nice and helpful. That is not the case with many open forums I've run across where members seem more interested in making nasty troll-like comments instead of sharing useful information, and just participating in a like-minded community.

I have to admit that my original intent with my post here was to sell the watch at the best price possible btu a lot of the comments I received from forum members made me realize that this watch is far more valuable for me to keep and cherish not only for the memories it brings back to me of my sailing adventures some 50 years ago, but also of my dad who gave me the watch, and has now passed on.

As for the Speedmaster model itself, it really is a remarkable timepiece with an incredibly rich history. Unlike other high-end collectible watches like Rolex for instance, I think the Speedmaster was always, first and foremost, a watch that was intended to be used under rugged conditions, not merely purchased as a collector piece. Back in 1968, reliable chronometer watches were a vital item for offshore sailing since modern navigation technology such as GPS simply did not exist. You crossed an ocean just as they had done for hundreds of years...with a sextant and a watch.

It's kind of a sad thing today to see so many people venture offshore totally reliant on things like GPS, satellite communications, and a whole host of modern conveniences that make it effortless to sail across the vast expanse of an ocean. I'm happy to have grown up during a time when those things did not exist, and where crossing an ocean was a challenge that really meant something.

That's what my Speedmaster really is a testament to, and I have all of you guys to thank for reminding me of that!
 
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given the choice: 1. the original '68 transitional dial, scarred by time and use, or a replacement '69 dial... no contest. original all the way, it would make me smile every time i saw it and thought back to my amazing adventure that it served me on.

just my $.02.
 
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I have to say that all of the members of this forum have just been so nice and helpful. That is not the case with many open forums I've run across where members seem more interested in making nasty troll-like comments instead of sharing useful information, and just participating in a like-minded community.

I agree. The troll:good guy ratio here is remarkably low.

You've got a great watch. May you enjoy it in good health.