Speedmaster: brown dial on recent references ?

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

Hello everyone from the Forum
I'm writing because I just saw this ad on Chrono 24 offering a 2010 Speedmaster ref. 311.30.42.30.13.001 with a brown dial.
Since the oxidation of the dial is due to the action of time and I have read a lot about which references and years are the most likely for a brown dial, I was rather surprised to see one so young and so brown.
I ask those more equipped than me if it is usual to see brown dials on such recent references.
To be honest I would add that the request is not the usual one for brown dials: €6900.

I attach photos

hanky6 · Nov 29, 2023

Hi
The above watch was made new from the factory with a brown dial, instead of the more common black version.
It has not turned brown with age.

If you like it, buy it. But do not compare with older references where a black dial have turned brown and might command a premium.

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

Thanks Hanky6, I wasn't aware of that.
However, I think I will keep my distance from yet another Omega reissue of past glories.

itsjustausername · Nov 29, 2023

Probo
Thanks Hanky6, I wasn't aware of that.
However, I think I will keep my distance from yet another Omega reissue of past glories.

That sounds fairly dramatic, brown is just… a color?

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

Hahaha, well yes of course, just a color. But I wouldn't say that to anyone who owns a vintage speedmaster with a warm caramel tone dial.

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

Probo
Thanks Hanky6, I wasn't aware of that.
However, I think I will keep my distance from yet another Omega reissue of past glories.

My point is that Omega has released a large number of commemorative editions, limited releases, commemorative reproductions etc. which have inflated the market and are of little interest to vintage speedmaster enthusiasts. So much so that now we talk about neo-vintage up to the super luminova era. this IMHO

itsjustausername · Nov 29, 2023

😁

I’m poking the bear a bit, I get your point and don’t fully disagree with it. Omega certainly aimed for a tone reminiscent of with this one, but the rest of that package is so decidedly modern/contemporary to my eyes

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

I believe that having participated in the NASA project places Omega at the pinnacle of watchmaking technology, I believe that Omega watches are still at the top. But I also believe that the space enterprise has been transformed by the company into the most colossal marketing enterprise on the market. And it is not a judgment of merit. Who wouldn't?
respectfully.

Spacefruit · Nov 29, 2023

Probo
My point is that Omega has released a large number of commemorative editions, limited releases, commemorative reproductions etc. which have inflated the market and are of little interest to vintage speedmaster enthusiasts. So much so that now we talk about neo-vintage up to the super luminova era. this IMHO

Challenge😉

I do not see any evidence the commemorative or re issues have increased prices or demand. (therefore not "inflationary"). If you said "flooded" the market, diluting demand and interest I wholeheartedly agree.

I do understand people shying away from Omega, feeling overwhelmed by the sheer number of different editions. More than one good friend in HK has dismissed Omega outright, "too many limited editions they say" from behind a table literally covered with Rolexes.

Thats why I stick to pre 78 Speedmasters.

PS the "brown" in the op watch is very difficult to see in real life

Probo · Nov 29, 2023

I think it's a linguistic issue.

I mistakenly used the English word "inflation" attributing to it the figurative meaning which in Italian reads: INFLATION = to spread excessively to the point of making it almost devoid of value or meaning

This is what Omega does with the Speedmasters in my eyes.
In this way, paradoxically, vintage models (could we say 1957-1978?) have acquired more value.
At least for those who are passionate about it

I'm afraid we agree dear W.😉

worldwidewes · Nov 29, 2023

Spacefruit
Challenge😉

I do not see any evidence the commemorative or re issues have increased prices or demand. (therefore not "inflationary"). If you said "flooded" the market, diluting demand and interest I wholeheartedly agree.

I do understand people shying away from Omega, feeling overwhelmed by the sheer number of different editions. More than one good friend in HK has dismissed Omega outright, "too many limited editions they say" from behind a table literally covered with Rolexes.

Thats why I stick to pre 78 Speedmasters.

PS the "brown" in the op watch is very difficult to see in real life

I totally agree with this. It sort of reminds me of what McLaren does in the car world. Even amongst the non-limited edition watches, I think Omega arguably has too many options. Like right now, you go on the Omega site and you see two different versions of the Speedmaster (co-axial and non co-axial). Even that, in my opinion, probably confuses some customers. Just sell one kind of watch. It's simpler (and also probably more profitable).

34plate · Nov 30, 2023

Heres the watch you mentioned, with a factory chocolate brown dial. I swapped the bezel and mounted the new Speedmaster bracelet on the watch which is from 2012. I really like it since it’s like a vanilla Speedmaster but has the nicer decorated 1863 movement (which is the Caliber 1861, just with more elaborate finishing). And it’s interesting enough to start a conversation, not a lot of people know this reference. And yes, its 100% fauxtina (false patina).

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