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·Relumed dial + repainted and relumed hands.
Speedmaster 321 condition advice please
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·Revisiting the lume issue, there's no evidence that the lume compound on a vintage Omega must degrade into brownish/yellowish colour or it must contract. It in fact can expand as well as having a green tint on its colour, or it can both contract and expand and having a range of colour hues on an original watch dial and hands. Consistency of the lume is just some sort of desirability, not a rule in anyway to identify a relume or not.
The watch in this link also has some expanding and some contracting lume on its dial and nobody can say it's a relume: http://omegaforums.net/threads/reintroducing-a-speedy-2998-2.19795/.
The watch in this link also has some expanding and some contracting lume on its dial and nobody can say it's a relume: http://omegaforums.net/threads/reintroducing-a-speedy-2998-2.19795/.
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·I still think this is a relume. I can't see how the lume could have stayed such a neutral colour and yet expanded as it has.
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··Ash @ ΩFRevisiting the lume issue, there's no evidence that the lume compound on a vintage Omega must degrade into brownish/yellowish colour or it must contract. It in fact can expand as well as having a green tint on its colour, or it can both contract and expand and having a range of colour hues on an original watch dial and hands. Consistency of the lume is just some sort of desirability, not a rule in anyway to identify a relume or not.
The watch in this link also has some expanding and some contracting lume on its dial and nobody can say it's a relume: http://omegaforums.net/threads/reintroducing-a-speedy-2998-2.19795/.
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··Ash @ ΩFCan you elaborate what other pictures and what's bad about? Can you explain why the lume compound can expand a bit here, but cannot expand a lot there?
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFHere's the other picture:
Notice now each one of them has somehow magically developed an indent and crater at the outer edge and a raised thicker blob towards the center of the dial, as if the watch has its own gravity well drawing the lume inward, some are extremely heavy some are extremely light, and a human hand can be seen making all of them.
Notice now each one of them has somehow magically developed an indent and crater at the outer edge and a raised thicker blob towards the center of the dial, as if the watch has its own gravity well drawing the lume inward, some are extremely heavy some are extremely light, and a human hand can be seen making all of them.
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·Can you explain why it can? Your argument seems to be along the lines of "If it is lume then it is original no matter what it looks like"
I'm not saying look doesn't matter, I'm just not convinced of any of the reasons given here.
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··Ash @ ΩFBecause it can expand, like on the other watch, naturally. Do you have a limit of how much it can expand? I don't think anyone even knows what kind of material the compound was made of, let alone how it would degrade after decades.
I'm not saying look doesn't matter, I'm just not convinced of any of the reasons given here.
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Kringkily
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·Notice now each one of them has somehow magically developed an indent and crater at the outer edge and a raised thicker blob towards the center of the dial, as if the watch has its own gravity well drawing the lume inward, some are extremely heavy some are extremely light, and a human hand can be seen making all of them.
I agree that the lume's non-uniformity is not very attractive or desirable, I'm just not convinced it's been relumed which may be a moot point because of the unattractiveness.
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··Omega Collector / HunterThe outer craters you talked about only appear at 4 spots from 4 to 7, and as a result of the lume flaking off at those spots. On 7 other markers from 8 to 2 o'clock, most of the outer half of the markers have also gone, and appear to be the result of naturally flaking off, unless you say a human hand only drew half of those markers by design in addition to designing the other 4 craters. The only mostly intact marker is at 3, which has essentially no crater or "gravity well" effect.
I agree that the lume's non-uniformity is not very attractive or desirable, I'm just not convinced it's been relumed which may be a moot point because of the unattractiveness.
This one is original the lume is not straight all the way in each plot but looks more in line though
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··Ash @ ΩFThe outer craters you talked about only appear at 4 spots from 4 to 7, and as a result of the lume flaking off at those spots. On 7 other markers from 8 to 2 o'clock, most of the outer half of the markers have also gone, and appear to be the result of naturally flaking off, unless you say a human hand only drew half of those markers by design in addition to designing the other 4 craters. The only mostly intact marker is at 3, which has essentially no crater or "gravity well" effect.
I agree that the lume's non-uniformity is not very attractive or desirable, I'm just not convinced it's been relumed which may be a moot point because of the unattractiveness.
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··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderAll this talk of relume.
I think the point is that it looks sloppy.
therefore I will pay less for it than a dial that has neat plots.
While it might be academically interesting to know if a watch has been relumed or not, if it looks dodgy or there is cause for discussion, it is worth less.
That is the key for me - once there is a defect, be it natural or man, it reduces value.
I think the point is that it looks sloppy.
therefore I will pay less for it than a dial that has neat plots.
While it might be academically interesting to know if a watch has been relumed or not, if it looks dodgy or there is cause for discussion, it is worth less.
That is the key for me - once there is a defect, be it natural or man, it reduces value.
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·All this talk of relume.
I think the point is that it looks sloppy.
therefore I will pay less for it than a dial that has neat plots.
While it might be academically interesting to know if a watch has been relumed or not, if it looks dodgy or there is cause for discussion, it is worth less.
That is the key for me - once there is a defect, be it natural or man, it reduces value.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder😀
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stokey
·I am fascinated by the discussions on the 'lume issue',I am no expert by any means but just as a observation the
photo by Kingkrilly looks very similar to mine, I wish I could throw light on the issue but the facts are.
The watch was fitted with a new plexiglass and serviced around 82 according to my better half, she has a
better memory than me!, and untouched until 2012.
Whats seems to be clear it was serviced by a repairer who had an arrangement with the Omerga dealer,
I do not understand why the repairer would touch the lume, the glass was not broken and had just a deep
scratch across the whole of the face.
I know I held back taking it to be done for several years due to the quoted cost around £70 at the time,
I was sitting in a cupboard awaiting funds!.
I am holding back from relisting on the bay, as I am sure most of the potential buyers like me look on
the forum!, just like my return guy.lol.
Wish I could help with more information, but its great that you guys find it interesting.
photo by Kingkrilly looks very similar to mine, I wish I could throw light on the issue but the facts are.
The watch was fitted with a new plexiglass and serviced around 82 according to my better half, she has a
better memory than me!, and untouched until 2012.
Whats seems to be clear it was serviced by a repairer who had an arrangement with the Omerga dealer,
I do not understand why the repairer would touch the lume, the glass was not broken and had just a deep
scratch across the whole of the face.
I know I held back taking it to be done for several years due to the quoted cost around £70 at the time,
I was sitting in a cupboard awaiting funds!.
I am holding back from relisting on the bay, as I am sure most of the potential buyers like me look on
the forum!, just like my return guy.lol.
Wish I could help with more information, but its great that you guys find it interesting.
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··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderI wish you the best of luck with your sale.
I believe currently the best way to get the best price on a speedmaster is on Ebay. With a No Reserve Auction. I realize that this can be like stepping of a ledge blindfolded, but honestly this is where i see the highest prices for this sort of watch.
Even after expenses.All the problems discussed here will be ignored by many buyers, rightly or wrongly.
I say that as a frustrated under-bidder on several pieces over the last few months.
....and I never used to loose an auction!
I believe currently the best way to get the best price on a speedmaster is on Ebay. With a No Reserve Auction. I realize that this can be like stepping of a ledge blindfolded, but honestly this is where i see the highest prices for this sort of watch.
Even after expenses.All the problems discussed here will be ignored by many buyers, rightly or wrongly.
I say that as a frustrated under-bidder on several pieces over the last few months.
....and I never used to loose an auction!
